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« on: August 23, 2022, 09:13:03 am »

Trevor Morley, Richard Hill and Eddie McGoldrick…halcyon days!

This set me off thinking about Carrs side in the 1980s. He didn't have instant success but we had 2 very good seasons before too many left for greener pastures. The new strip started me off this year, and Sam Hoskins scoring freely with his wispy tache reminded me of a tiny Richard hHill when he ran through on that ball from Hylton to score his first of the season a couple of weeks back. Any chance Hill's 33 goals in that season are at risk?

The defence then of Mc Pherson and Wilcox were the solid base and Benji scored a few alongside Hill and Morley, I can't remember how many. Midfield I had more difficulty with, I guess it was Phil Chard and diddy Dave Gilbert most of the time. Obviously Gleasure had a part to play, but I reckon Burge is better, If we can hang on to him for as long as we did Gleasure I'll be surprised and delighted.

Its a shame Leonard and Bowie are on loan , I don't recall any loan players back then, was it even a thing?

Can we hope to match that team with the current one or where are we significantly weaker? I think we are missing a Morley for sure. 
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 09:35:25 am »

Fantastic season and without doubt my favourite in over 50 of them (more of them miserable than memorable)
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2022, 10:11:01 am »

Fantastic season and without doubt my favourite in over 50 of them (more of them miserable than memorable)


I earned a rebuke from the Marquis for mentioning the 41k who went to Wembley in 1991!
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2022, 10:16:13 am »



I earned a rebuke from the Marquis for mentioning the 41k who went to Wembley in 1991!

Wasn't that 1997? Remember it as a great time as it was the year that A certain unpopular government finally fell. If that could happen in 2023 too It would be even more epic Wink
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2022, 10:44:22 am »

Wasn't that 1997? Remember it as a great time as it was the year that A certain unpopular government finally fell. If that could happen in 2023 too It would be even more epic Wink



My error and it was 1997 !
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2022, 10:59:37 am »

This set me off thinking about Carrs side in the 1980s. He didn't have instant success but we had 2 very good seasons before too many left for greener pastures. The new strip started me off this year, and Sam Hoskins scoring freely with his wispy tache reminded me of a tiny Richard hHill when he ran through on that ball from Hylton to score his first of the season a couple of weeks back. Any chance Hill's 33 goals in that season are at risk?

The defence then of Mc Pherson and Wilcox were the solid base and Benji scored a few alongside Hill and Morley, I can't remember how many. Midfield I had more difficulty with, I guess it was Phil Chard and diddy Dave Gilbert most of the time. Obviously Gleasure had a part to play, but I reckon Burge is better, If we can hang on to him for as long as we did Gleasure I'll be surprised and delighted.

Its a shame Leonard and Bowie are on loan , I don't recall any loan players back then, was it even a thing?

Can we hope to match that team with the current one or where are we significantly weaker? I think we are missing a Morley for sure. 
We had that Jon Millar from Chelsea on loan, he played in the cup tie at Newcastle. Wasn’t Irvin Gurnon on loan initially as well. Also there was a young striker from West Ham who had some connection with Warren Donald. I think he scored a couple and then it didn’t work out after that? My memory is not what it was so I may have got some of this arse-upards.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2022, 11:14:03 am »



My error and it was 1997 !

One year out....it was actually 1998...... the 97/98 season granted, but the 41500 against Grimsby was in 98, the 32000 v Swansea was in 97.
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2022, 11:16:29 am »

Don’t forget Graham “Rambo” Reed!
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2022, 11:17:22 am »

One year out....it was actually 1998...... the 97/98 season granted, but the 41500 against Grimsby was in 98, the 32000 v Swansea was in 97.

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2022, 11:19:12 am »

We had that Jon Millar from Chelsea on loan, he played in the cup tie at Newcastle. Wasn’t Irvin Gurnon on loan initially as well. Also there was a young striker from West Ham who had some connection with Warren Donald. I think he scored a couple and then it didn’t work out after that? My memory is not what it was so I may have got some of this arse-upards.

Millar scored an own goal in that defeat at Newcastle. Paul McMenemy was the Hammer, 2 goals in four appearances. Gernon was on loan with us that season before during permanently three years later. We also had Charlie Henry on loan from Swindon for a brief period.

Got to remember back in those days it was only three named subs so we only needed to name 14 players for every game, a lot less reliance on loan players to fill out the squads back then.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2022, 11:19:29 am »

We had that Jon Millar from Chelsea on loan, he played in the cup tie at Newcastle. Wasn’t Irvin Gurnon on loan initially as well. Also there was a young striker from West Ham who had some connection with Warren Donald. I think he scored a couple and then it didn’t work out after that? My memory is not what it was so I may have got some of this arse-upards.

Paul McMenemy - Lawrie's nephew. He came on loan from West Ham.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2022, 11:27:43 am »

Wasn't that 1997? Remember it as a great time as it was the year that A certain unpopular government finally fell. If that could happen in 2023 too It would be even more epic Wink


Let's hope so eh.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2022, 11:32:56 am »

Remember Cambridge away, night game, think Baldy was with me, total eclipse of the moon on the way. Great omen, result could only go one way. Fantastic goal from Morley. Was it the winner?
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2022, 11:33:48 am »

We had that Jon Millar from Chelsea on loan, he played in the cup tie at Newcastle. Wasn’t Irvin Gurnon on loan initially as well. Also there was a young striker from West Ham who had some connection with Warren Donald. I think he scored a couple and then it didn’t work out after that? My memory is not what it was so I may have got some of this arse-upards.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2022, 11:34:53 am »

My recollection of the Carr/Banks era;

Football in the UK (particularly England) was in a desperate state. Plummeting gates, violence on the terraces, huge policing costs.

Then Derek Banks turned up with money (at a time that a lot of clubs were threatening to go part time) and Graham Carr with his extensive knowledge of the non-leagues and very personal way of going about things.

The first full season they showed enormous promise. The second they romped the title with glorious attacking football and a rush up to the half way line to catch your opponents offside defensive style (or at least that's how I remember it).

Don't forget Ian Benjamins goal scoring before and during this era. One of Carr's biggest mistakes - letting him go because he didn't think he'd be good enough for Division 3.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2022, 11:35:08 am »

Let's hope so eh.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2022, 11:51:35 am »

Cracking season; my first season watching too and it got me hooked. I was 12 at the time and not been that interested in football really. Such an entertaining team. We've started well this season but most of that 86/87 team would get in ahead of todays team. Hill scoring 33 from midfield is immense, then add Trevor Morley and Ian Benjamin's quality along with the guile of Gilbert who I think scored 10 penalties. Macca and Wilcox at the back, McGoldrick on the wing. Warren Donald battling in midfield
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2022, 11:58:22 am »

Quote from: AYelvertoftCobbler link=topic=21218.msg472438#msg472438 date=166124598 He didn't have instant success…
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Actually he did. When Tony Barton was sacked we were hopeless and bottom of the league. He made us into a winning team immediately.. I remember in those days of our old climate we had regular postponements and ended up playing four home games in a week in April 85  and won them all. It was miraculous stuff. The following season we were brilliant but inconsistent. I recall it was obvious we would win the league in 86-87 but the addition of Gilbert, Wilcox and McGoldrick made us all conquering. Dave Gilbert is my favourite ever Cobblers player, immaculate passer and deadball specialist.

I can recite the first choice  team without thought. Gleasure, Reed, Chard (played various positions but I’ll put him left back ), Wilcox,  McPherson, McGoldrick, Donald,  Hill, Gilbert, Morley, Benjamin. All others were bit parts or short term loans.

 Reed at right back and Gleasure were the only weaknesses. All our current team would struggle to break into that team elsewhere other than in those positions. The current team has greater strength in depth but it simply wasn’t needed in those days.
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2022, 12:13:11 pm »

[quote author=AYelvertoftCobbler link=topic=21218.msg472438#msg472438 date=166124598 He didn't have instant success…

Actually he did. When Tony Barton was sacked we were hopeless and bottom of the league. He made us into a winning team immediately.. I remember in those days of our old climate we had regular postponements and ended up playing four home games in a week in April 85  and won them all. It was miraculous stuff. The following season we were brilliant but inconsistent. I recall it was obvious we would win the league in 86-87 but the addition of Gilbert, Wilcox and McGoldrick made us all conquering. Dave Gilbert is my favourite ever Cobblers player, immaculate passer and deadball specialist.

I can recite the first choice  team without thought. Gleasure, Reed, Chard (played various positions but I’ll put him left back ), Wilcox,  McPherson, McGoldrick, Donald,  Hill, Gilbert, Morley, Benjamin. All others were bit parts or short term loans.

 Reed at right back and Gleasure were the only weaknesses. All our current team would struggle to break into that team elsewhere other than in those positions. The current team has greater strength in depth but it simply wasn’t needed in those days.

Difficult to disagree with any of this.

From memory, five players all reached 10+ league goals.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2022, 13:01:18 pm »

Millar scored an own goal in that defeat at Newcastle. Paul McMenemy was the Hammer, 2 goals in four appearances. Gernon was on loan with us that season before during permanently three years later. We also had Charlie Henry on loan from Swindon for a brief period.

Got to remember back in those days it was only three named subs so we only needed to name 14 players for every game, a lot less reliance on loan players to fill out the squads back then.
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