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« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2021, 23:22:15 pm »

I think my suggestion is generally the same as most. Get rid of Smith, BAS, Rose, Edmonson and get some strikers in capable of scoring goals.

Interesting our top assists (6) from open play have come from Hoskins this season. As a comparison, Charlton currently sitting in 8th have scored over double the amount of goals from open play with their top assist contributor has only managing 5 open play assists. It goes to show what can be achieved when you have somebody half competent upfront that helps to create their own luck!

Like the way you generalise opinion on here on the assumption it mirrors yours? Smith and Rose had reasonable success with their former Clubs and Edmondson comes from a Premier League Club! Yet you happily dispose of these players and resign players who can score goals which of course comes at a cost in transfer fees and salaries. If you feel there are plenty of like minded fans just form a fundraising cooperative and donate monies to Mr Thomas. Sort of adds an extra string to your bow!
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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2021, 09:00:57 am »

Like the way you generalise opinion on here on the assumption it mirrors yours? Smith and Rose had reasonable success with their former Clubs and Edmondson comes from a Premier League Club! Yet you happily dispose of these players and resign players who can score goals which of course comes at a cost in transfer fees and salaries. If you feel there are plenty of like minded fans just form a fundraising cooperative and donate monies to Mr Thomas. Sort of adds an extra string to your bow!


If you read through the posts you'd understand, all of them have failed time and time again. I would have expected you to disagree though as you don't have anything better to do.

Interesting that you'd keep Smith, Rose and Edmondson on. I assume your post is solely aimed at getting some much loved attention?

By your logic, BAS came from a Premier League club so he should also be kept on. Whilst we are at it, Warburton had reasonable success with his former club so we should also offer him a new deal as well.

Get rid of those 5 and get 2 competent strikers in, many of which will be available for free. Shop wisely, it's what Gillingham did and they've ended up with a 20+ goal a season striker at our expense.
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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2021, 09:24:23 am »

If you read through the posts you'd understand, all of them have failed time and time again. I would have expected you to disagree though as you don't have anything better to do.

Interesting that you'd keep Smith, Rose and Edmondson on. I assume your post is solely aimed at getting some much loved attention?

By your logic, BAS came from a Premier League club so he should also be kept on. Whilst we are at it, Warburton had reasonable success with his former club so we should also offer him a new deal as well.

Get rid of those 5 and get 2 competent strikers in, many of which will be available for free. Shop wisely, it's what Gillingham did and they've ended up with a 20+ goal a season striker at our expense.

So luck does not come into it?
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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2021, 09:40:25 am »

Our goals for tally since Feb 10th under Brady 20 from 18, before feb 10th under Curle 20 from 26.
I would have thought that could be regarded as a notable improvement when allowing for the transition period between management teams?
What would be an acceptable total across 18 games for a team competing in mid table? Ipswich have so far scored 41 from 43 whilst Charlton have scored 65 from the same number of games.
Thomas's official line was Curle went because we weren't scoring enough goals or picking up enough points. Has the first part of that now been redressed?
I think that in Rose Smith Jones Chuk we have strikers who will score goals in league two given the opportunity, but more importantly that the team is capable of scoring the goals needed for a good season in league two.
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2021, 09:53:36 am »

If you read through the posts you'd understand, all of them have failed time and time again. I would have expected you to disagree though as you don't have anything better to do.

Interesting that you'd keep Smith, Rose and Edmondson on. I assume your post is solely aimed at getting some much loved attention?

By your logic, BAS came from a Premier League club so he should also be kept on. Whilst we are at it, Warburton had reasonable success with his former club so we should also offer him a new deal as well.

Get rid of those 5 and get 2 competent strikers in, many of which will be available for free. Shop wisely, it's what Gillingham did and they've ended up with a 20+ goal a season striker at our expense.

From Wiki this morning;

2019-2020 season;
Harry Smith- 29 appearances, 7 goals
Vadaine Oliver- 40 appearances, 8 goals

Gillingham are creating chances and Oliver is benefitting from this.

I am not saying that this is the be all and end all. What I am trying to get across is something that Evers touches on in that luck plays a huge part.

By your reckoning, we should get rid of all and then sign two quality strikers.

What happens when they need a rest or, God forbid, one or both of them pick up a bad injury?

I stand by my thoughts that the four I mentioned, given a good and regular supply of chances, have enough about them to get a good goal return.
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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2021, 09:54:26 am »

If you read through the posts you'd understand, all of them have failed time and time again. I would have expected you to disagree though as you don't have anything better to do.

Interesting that you'd keep Smith, Rose and Edmondson on. I assume your post is solely aimed at getting some much loved attention?

By your logic, BAS came from a Premier League club so he should also be kept on. Whilst we are at it, Warburton had reasonable success with his former club so we should also offer him a new deal as well.

Get rid of those 5 and get 2 competent strikers in, many of which will be available for free. Shop wisely, it's what Gillingham did and they've ended up with a 20+ goal a season striker at our expense.

A striker that couldn't score in League Two but has scored a hatfull in League One?
There is always a degree of the luck element.
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« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2021, 12:23:11 pm »



By your reckoning, we should get rid of all and then sign two quality strikers.

What happens when they need a rest or, God forbid, one or both of them pick up a bad injury?


That's where we turn to the likes of A Jones, Hoskins and Chucks to fill in.
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« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2021, 12:31:30 pm »

It's surprising how some of you posting over multiple threads are generally content with the squad, with the exception of the goalkeeper and creative midfielder.

I agree the defence looks strong, and McWilliams signing is a positive, but big changes are needed up top, luck alone wont get us promoted next year!

This set of players have won 5 in the last 25. In my opinion there isn't much between the standard between the clubs in the bottom half of L1 and the top half of L2. Adding a keeper and a creative player to compliment the existing will achieve very little success.

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« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2021, 13:12:39 pm »

It's surprising how some of you posting over multiple threads are generally content with the squad, with the exception of the goalkeeper and creative midfielder.

I agree the defence looks strong, and McWilliams signing is a positive, but big changes are needed up top, luck alone wont get us promoted next year!

This set of players have won 5 in the last 25. In my opinion there isn't much between the standard between the clubs in the bottom half of L1 and the top half of L2. Adding a keeper and a creative player to compliment the existing will achieve very little success.



So you now assume that some posters on here who don't meet your criteria on squad selection; either have nothing to do or merely content with the current situation/squad Roll Eyes Any poster who has the temerity to disagree with you; invariably you take to launch personal attacks. This is a pity as there is some underlying interesting points worthy of discussion. You touch on luck; yet you need an element of this when signing players particularly goal scoring forwards. Another curious omittance is the effectiveness of the Brady Team in improving the front 2/3 players effectiveness, one of whom scored the opening goal against Gillingham! I thought it was generally accepted that overall performance was an improvement yet you are happy to jettison five players willy nilly and replace with proven goal scorers. Yet you must  appreciate these players are relatively rare and an expensive commodity to boot!

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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2021, 13:30:21 pm »



So you now assume that some posters on here who don't meet your criteria on squad selection; either have nothing to do or merely content with the current situation/squad Roll Eyes Any poster who has the temerity to disagree with you; invariably you take to launch personal attacks. This is a pity as there is some underlying interesting points worthy of discussion. You touch on luck; yet you need an element of this when signing players particularly goal scoring forwards. Another curious omittance is the effectiveness of the Brady Team in improving the front 2/3 players effectiveness, one of whom scored the opening goal against Gillingham! I thought it was generally accepted that overall performance was an improvement yet you are happy to jettison five players willy nilly and replace with proven goal scorers. Yet you must  appreciate these players are relatively rare and an expensive commodity to boot!



That's quite a paragraph to digest!

So you now assume that some posters on here who don't meet your criteria on squad selection; either have nothing to do or merely content with the current situation/squad Roll Eyes Please feel free to share your opinion rather than attempting to belittle. Where do you see the strengths and weaknesses of the squad?

Any poster who has the temerity to disagree with you; invariably you take to launch personal attacks. This is a pity as there is some underlying interesting points worthy of discussion. It's my opinion if we all had the same opinion there wouldn't be much point to the forum. Not sure on the personal attack, apologies if I have caused upset.

You touch on luck; yet you need an element of this when signing players particularly goal scoring forwards. Agreed, but in my opinion luck alone will not get us promoted out of league 2 next season.

Another curious omittance is the effectiveness of the Brady Team in improving the front 2/3 players effectiveness, one of whom scored the opening goal against Gillingham! I thought it was generally accepted that overall performance was an improvement yet you are happy to jettison five players willy nilly and replace with proven goal scorers. The player you've mentioned has scored 2 in 20 appearances. That equates to roughly 4 a season. In my opinion a striker that scores 4 a season will not get us promoted out of league 2 next season.


Yet you must  appreciate these players are relatively rare and an expensive commodity to boot!
It depends how good your recruitment team are. They don't all cost the earth, take a look at Morton and Oliver as an example.

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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2021, 17:57:50 pm »

That's quite a paragraph to digest!

So you now assume that some posters on here who don't meet your criteria on squad selection; either have nothing to do or merely content with the current situation/squad Roll Eyes
Please feel free to share your opinion rather than attempting to belittle. Where do you see the strengths and weaknesses of the squad?
Any poster who has the temerity to disagree with you; invariably you take to launch personal attacks. This is a pity as there is some underlying interesting points worthy of discussion.
It's my opinion if we all had the same opinion there wouldn't be much point to the forum. Not sure on the personal attack, apologies if I have caused upset.
You touch on luck; yet you need an element of this when signing players particularly goal scoring forwards.
Agreed, but in my opinion luck alone will not get us promoted out of league 2 next season.

Another curious omittance is the effectiveness of the Brady Team in improving the front 2/3 players effectiveness, one of whom scored the opening goal against Gillingham! I thought it was generally accepted that overall performance was an improvement yet you are happy to jettison five players willy nilly and replace with proven goal scorers.
The player you've mentioned has scored 2 in 20 appearances. That equates to roughly 4 a season. In my opinion a striker that scores 4 a season will not get us promoted out of league 2 next season. Yet you must  appreciate these players are relatively rare and an expensive commodity to boot!
It depends how good your recruitment team are. They don't all cost the earth, take a look at Morton and Oliver as an example.


I am sharing my opinion - how you articulate on it is your choice. 
Have always believed the squad is better than some of the abusive comment would have 'us' believe. Recent performances have supported this.
A good dose of luck enable promotion last season as was the fortunate emergence of Oliver and Morton as top forwards. As you know you can make your own luck by good coaching methods as exhibited by the Brady Team.
On Edmondson goal ratio - he has just made a 50% improvement! In many ways he follows the progression path shown by Morton. Perhaps any goals he scores now may achieve the seemingly impossible escape from 'Colditz' (League 2). Again you omit the Brady effect on the entire Squad.
On Recruitment, again you need luck - only astute selection disciplines and research will aid that.
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2021, 18:45:21 pm »

I am sharing my opinion - how you articulate on it is your choice. 
Have always believed the squad is better than some of the abusive comment would have 'us' believe. Recent performances have supported this.
A good dose of luck enable promotion last season as was the fortunate emergence of Oliver and Morton as top forwards. As you know you can make your own luck by good coaching methods as exhibited by the Brady Team.
On Edmondson goal ratio - he has just made a 50% improvement! In many ways he follows the progression path shown by Morton. Perhaps any goals he scores now may achieve the seemingly impossible escape from 'Colditz' (League 2). Again you omit the Brady effect on the entire Squad.
On Recruitment, again you need luck - only astute selection disciplines and research will aid that.

I think we should agree to disagree!

You seem to pin recruitment, performances and coaching methods on luck. I personally think there is a little more to creating a successful team.

I’ve agreed elsewhere on the positive impact of Brady. Defensively he has worked wonders, he has also slightly improved the limited strike force. To progress further in my opinion he needs to replace the majority of the forward line.
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