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« Reply #28860 on: June 26, 2021, 16:20:50 pm »

obviously the members money
And some of the staff are members, as are many of those that are at the sharp end of your commentary. Have you considered how they might view these events. Perhaps they don’t share your opinion? Hypothetically what if the majority of the membership actually supported the actions of the staff?
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« Reply #28861 on: June 26, 2021, 16:29:30 pm »



Yep the irony of it all. As I believe that the Trust paid those staff wages with a £10,000 'loan' at the end of the Cardoza saga on the understanding that KT would pay it back into the Trust funds after take over.

Guess what..... HE NEVER PAID IT BACK and you know what, unlike me, the Trust never threw that back in his face.


I really hope you have fact checked that.. You are stating on an Internet forum that KT reneged on a deal with the Trust to pay back the 10k loan…

The notorious Trusts money in a carrier bag deal…. 😁😁.
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« Reply #28862 on: June 26, 2021, 16:30:44 pm »

Ironic that the staff who were supported in their time of need have now turned on those who looked after them when they needed it most.


Yep the irony of it all. As I believe that the Trust paid those staff wages with a £10,000 'loan' at the end of the Cardoza saga on the understanding that KT would pay it back into the Trust funds after take over.

Guess what..... HE NEVER PAID IT BACK and you know what, unlike me, the Trust never threw that back in his face.

So Cobblerwatch are you proud to be a NTFC supporter?? that after SIX years we have not moved forward one inch, in fact we are much worse of as a group

All you do is pick holes in the ownership of the club, rarely do you comment on matters on the pitch. Do you have a hidden desire to run it yourself and this is the reason for your bitterness?
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« Reply #28863 on: June 26, 2021, 16:30:53 pm »

Random, I gave money to help pay the staffs wages, I didn't give it to the Trust so they could use it as a loan. If ever they demand the money back, then I want my £20 back.
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« Reply #28864 on: June 26, 2021, 16:31:29 pm »



So Cobblerwatch are you proud to be a NTFC supporter??

Yes
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« Reply #28865 on: June 26, 2021, 16:34:13 pm »

Random, I gave money to help pay the staffs wages, I didn't give it to the Trust so they could use it as a loan. If ever they demand the money back, then I want my £20 back.

Me too.
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« Reply #28866 on: June 26, 2021, 16:43:43 pm »

I do understand the staff not liking the 'hate' but the fact they have to mention in their statement that the owners are basically great cos they get paid on time is hardly setting the bar high in business standards. !



Why not? My company pays me on time and the bosses treat me brilliantly, and I tell that to anyone that asks me about my work.
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« Reply #28867 on: June 26, 2021, 16:53:24 pm »

Random, I gave money to help pay the staffs wages, I didn't give it to the Trust so they could use it as a loan. If ever they demand the money back, then I want my £20 back.

Me too.
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« Reply #28868 on: June 26, 2021, 16:53:45 pm »

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Yes It is a fact re the Chairman not paying. Unbelievable, how you all totally ignore the actual point.

I must start doing the lottery so I can own the club, you lot would absolutely love me, as an owner of NTFC can do no wrong in your eyes.

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« Reply #28869 on: June 26, 2021, 16:55:21 pm »

Why not? My company pays me on time and the bosses treat me brilliantly, and I tell that to anyone that asks me about my work.

you do realise you are actually highlighting my point. FFS
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« Reply #28870 on: June 26, 2021, 17:03:00 pm »

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Yes It is a fact re the Chairman not paying. Unbelievable, how you all totally ignore the actual point.

I must start doing the lottery so I can own the club, you lot would absolutely love me, as an owner of NTFC can do no wrong in your eyes.



Oh no no no… You stated:

“I believe that the Trust paid those staff wages with a £10,000 'loan' at the end of the Cardoza saga on the understanding that KT would pay it back into the Trust funds after take over”.

That’s sounds like you have some pretty compelling evidence that KT not only knew of the loan, but that he in fact agreed to pay it back.
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« Reply #28871 on: June 26, 2021, 17:06:04 pm »

ask the Trust Tel
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« Reply #28872 on: June 26, 2021, 17:08:59 pm »

lol lol lol lol lol lol

Yes It is a fact re the Chairman not paying. Unbelievable, how you all totally ignore the actual point.

I must start doing the lottery so I can own the club, you lot would absolutely love me, as an owner of NTFC can do no wrong in your eyes.


The point is that what the majority believe is the only thing that’s important. With all due respect Random you appear to continually come up with your own theory regarding what is acceptable and attempt to suppress opinion, ridicule and attack any individual who questions the validity of your conclusions. Finally when you are inevitably turned on, you react with incredulity and outrage. Perhaps there is a flaw in you strategy and you should consider a different approach, just a suggestion?
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« Reply #28873 on: June 26, 2021, 17:12:11 pm »

What a f'in shambles all round.  The whole back and forth of all of this was so very avoidable.  When you back sides far enough in to a corner
they end up with no choice but to come out fighting.

So much of what was said in the letter from the club staff rings true unfortunately and it's things I've warned the trust about myself many times over the last couple of years.  It was only a month or so ago I warned that there are individuals on social media who do a massive disservice to the trusts cause and some of those individuals are either on the board/advise the board or are very vocal members of the trust.  

I follow the club, supporters trust, ntfc community trust, and most local journalists including Tom Reed on Twitter.  I can tell you that without fail I see the same people respond to a vast majority of anything these people tweet with negative critical comments about the clubs ownership.  The insulting replies more often than not bear no resembelence to the original tweet and more often than not mention off shore accounts, chinese money, land grabbers etc.  You catch my drift.  Local journalists get badgered to the point they end up blocking these individuals from ruining their timeline and this is simply taken as a moral victory for the loud mouth bullies.  They show no tact or diplomacy and frankly win nobody over to their perspective even if they actually may have a point.

The reason I say this is those individuals are what some people will be seeing as representative of the trusts position.  Whether they are are chairman of the board, on the board, advising the board or simply close associates it doesn't really matter I can't stress how much damage this reputationally does to the trust.  Why would the trust even want inidviduals like this with this type of behavior representing them at any level.

If I was the trust I'd be careful in responding too quickly and reflect on what's being said.  I'm sure there will be denials and guarantee tweets will have been deleted recently but screenshots can still be damaging.

I said years ago when debating the exact same topics we are discussing today with people like Vintage, random, Tom Reed etc.  You need to take people on a journey with you.  If you have evidence that KT is a "wrong un" show it with hard evidence.  If he's screwing over the club prove it.  Don't just tell me....show me and everyone else!!!  We see the same thing with Manwork over the last few weeks on here.  Nobody should have any fear of saying anything if it's TRUE and you can PROVE it.

I also said that the trust should surround itself in positivity, go on a membership drive and prove to the fans they are of value to them.  Most of all ask your members what they want and do that.  Since then it's been a constant stream of shooting themselves in the foot while playing political games.

What a f'in mess Huh? Huh? Huh?

    
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« Reply #28874 on: June 26, 2021, 17:18:07 pm »

All you do is pick holes in the ownership of the club, rarely do you comment on matters on the pitch. Do you have a hidden desire to run it yourself and this is the reason for your bitterness?

Yes I do focus off the pitch as this is where the club can grow an improve.

All the comments about on the pitch does nothing

I have nothing hidden, all I want is the club to at least try to improve and get someone near it's potential and get away from the lower reaches of the football pyramid. There are at least 40 clubs or more that are in higher divisions that don't have a much potential as us 'on paper'., yet here we are, after a cheap promotion, back in League 2, with little to show for it.

Same old, same old, only KT and staff are getting defensive and aggressive to the Trust FINALLY fighting their corner and saying enough is enough, we want our football club to be the priority NOT building some warehouses on the land we control a lease over.
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« Reply #28875 on: June 26, 2021, 17:44:53 pm »

I think it has reached the stage now where all those critical of the club and KT and DB now need to put up or shut up. We have had months and months of sly digs and innuendo about wrong doing and illegality at the club but not one actual fact or truth put out there. If you have evidence either show us or stop posting negativity about the club we all care about
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« Reply #28876 on: June 26, 2021, 17:45:58 pm »

If they do have anything of substance about anything that is ‘below board’ and haven’t released it, they’ve f*cked up with that too.
Let’s face it, the Trust are finished.


No there not! Why?
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« Reply #28877 on: June 26, 2021, 17:46:09 pm »

Ironic that the staff who were supported in their time of need have now turned on those who looked after them when they needed it most.


Yep the irony of it all. As I believe that the Trust paid those staff wages with a £10,000 'loan' at the end of the Cardoza saga on the understanding that KT would pay it back into the Trust funds after take over.

Guess what..... HE NEVER PAID IT BACK and you know what, unlike me, the Trust never threw that back in his face.

So Cobblerwatch are you proud to be a NTFC supporter?? that after SIX years we have not moved forward one inch, in fact we are much worse of as a group


The trust want DB/KT to write of £6/7million and then write off the cost of the East stand. Surely writing off £10k doesn't seem such a big deal
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« Reply #28878 on: June 26, 2021, 17:51:05 pm »

What a f'in shambles all round.  The whole back and forth of all of this was so very avoidable.  When you back sides far enough in to a corner
they end up with no choice but to come out fighting.

So much of what was said in the letter from the club staff rings true unfortunately and it's things I've warned the trust about myself many times over the last couple of years.  It was only a month or so ago I warned that there are individuals on social media who do a massive disservice to the trusts cause and some of those individuals are either on the board/advise the board or are very vocal members of the trust.  

I follow the club, supporters trust, ntfc community trust, and most local journalists including Tom Reed on Twitter.  I can tell you that without fail I see the same people respond to a vast majority of anything these people tweet with negative critical comments about the clubs ownership.  The insulting replies more often than not bear no resembelence to the original tweet and more often than not mention off shore accounts, chinese money, land grabbers etc.  You catch my drift.  Local journalists get badgered to the point they end up blocking these individuals from ruining their timeline and this is simply taken as a moral victory for the loud mouth bullies.  They show no tact or diplomacy and frankly win nobody over to their perspective even if they actually may have a point.

The reason I say this is those individuals are what some people will be seeing as representative of the trusts position.  Whether they are are chairman of the board, on the board, advising the board or simply close associates it doesn't really matter I can't stress how much damage this reputationally does to the trust.  Why would the trust even want inidviduals like this with this type of behavior representing them at any level.

If I was the trust I'd be careful in responding too quickly and reflect on what's being said.  I'm sure there will be denials and guarantee tweets will have been deleted recently but screenshots can still be damaging.

I said years ago when debating the exact same topics we are discussing today with people like Vintage, random, Tom Reed etc.  You need to take people on a journey with you.  If you have evidence that KT is a "wrong un" show it with hard evidence.  If he's screwing over the club prove it.  Don't just tell me....show me and everyone else!!!  We see the same thing with Manwork over the last few weeks on here.  Nobody should have any fear of saying anything if it's TRUE and you can PROVE it.

I also said that the trust should surround itself in positivity, go on a membership drive and prove to the fans they are of value to them.  Most of all ask your members what they want and do that.  Since then it's been a constant stream of shooting themselves in the foot while playing political games.

What a f'in mess Huh? Huh? Huh?

    

Your right I have heard a number of things, but I am not in possession of the evidence, I have no reason to disbelieve the people who told me.
The people that have that evidence need to speak up now.
That letter that is posted on the official club website is probably one of the most unprofessional things I have seen, to be quite frank its embarrassing, the club is lowering itself to the same level as the idiots that critique the work the club does in the community, whoever thought this was a good idea should resign.
The whole thing smacks of being contrived TBH.
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« Reply #28879 on: June 26, 2021, 18:22:13 pm »

That letter that is posted on the official club website is probably one of the most unprofessional things I have seen, to be quite frank its embarrassing, the club is lowering itself to the same level as the idiots that critique the work the club does in the community, whoever thought this was a good idea should resign.

I would agree to an extent if this letter was solely aimed at a few randoms that were making a nuisance of themselves.  It's not.  It's aimed at the trust and specific individuals directly or strongly linked to them.  It's clear it's been an issue for a long time and the club have tried do deal with this previously privately with the trust.  I've read some of these tweets or Facebook postings myself over the years and can understand why they have a problem with them and the individuals in question.  Imagine your hard work and social media presence being hijacked on a daily basis with postings irrelevant to the original message.  Add to that the amount of times additional unrelated parties such as local MP's, councillors, local modeia etc. randomly get added in to these replies that had nothing to do with them.

It's interesting that some people on Twitter yesterday said they had been told to "maintain radio silence" in their criticism of the clubs owners and the presentation.  You'd almost start wondering whether some of the actions they had been taking were co-ordinated in some way???  Let's just say it's pretty clear there hasn't been any disapproval of their actions from certain quarters.
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