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« Reply #28980 on: June 26, 2021, 22:23:00 pm »

Huh? I don't understand

We all saw Melly's questions, let us all see the answers.
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« Reply #28981 on: June 26, 2021, 22:26:00 pm »

We all saw Melly's questions, let us all see the answers.

Isn't it up to Melly to decide whether he wants everyone to see the answers to his questions?

In the post directly above yours Melly says that the Trust were happy for Melly to make the questions and answers public.

Why are you asking me?
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« Reply #28982 on: June 26, 2021, 22:51:14 pm »

Isn't it up to Melly to decide whether he wants everyone to see the answers to his questions?

In the post directly above yours Melly says that the Trust were happy for Melly to make the questions and answers public.

Why are you asking me?

Are you not part of the trust board?
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« Reply #28983 on: June 26, 2021, 23:37:00 pm »

Can anyone tell me when work on the East stand will start?  sorry I was stuck in Oxford traffic yesterday so missed the presentation.

Also what was the cost of the build out?

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« Reply #28984 on: June 26, 2021, 23:42:17 pm »

Kelvin said to me he was hoping for within 6 months. As I said a few pages back, I will believe it when I see construction workers on the site again. But hope it will prove to be there or there abouts.

Cost wasn't discussed but feel I've read £3m somewhere.
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« Reply #28985 on: June 27, 2021, 00:13:03 am »

Dan, well done for your efforts yesterday, much appreciated.
Random is just a sarcastic idiot, don't think you gave him the reply he was expecting.
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« Reply #28986 on: June 27, 2021, 04:23:04 am »

Watching from the sidelines simply as a supporter, none of this is very palatable.

It's clear the Trust are ineffective at club/management level and don't seem to be unifying support as they intended, maybe they should consider diversifying and do something useful as all good businesses and organisations do?

Why don't the Trust create their own micro brewery within the club? Brewing some fantastic craft beers all based around the club for members and supporters to enjoy and ultimately make some extra cash for the club? A pint of Marauding Morley please or Efon Elad fizzy cider?

Maybe KT would allow a part of the new development for some shiny copper tuns, or join forces with the future "supporters" north stand, it would go well with the planned gigs.

I'm sure some of the members have in depth and heavily researched knowledge in this area, the products could be sold in our new bars not only on matchday but all year round, even sold locally. Meetings would be much more jovial!

Its viable and possible on a small scale, you can install a whole brewery for between £10k and £80k so lets be the first lower league club to brew our own.

A pint of Hotel End for me lads.  Wink

 
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« Reply #28987 on: June 27, 2021, 08:01:34 am »

all club owners do as they wish and clubs either thrive or sink.Cobblers are no different.
supporters organizations are only any good when its too late, thenthe tins can start rattling
and people can get on their high horses,until that happens our glorious leaders can do exactly
as they wish.
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« Reply #28988 on: June 27, 2021, 09:24:05 am »

Dan, well done for your efforts yesterday, much appreciated.
Random is just a sarcastic idiot, don't think you gave him the reply he was expecting.

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.

Over to KT and DB 👍🏽 And equally as importantly, a good season on the pitch after the sh*te of last year.
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« Reply #28989 on: June 27, 2021, 09:40:13 am »

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.



And if they donít want to do it your way, or the way some others want them toÖ Would you set about destroying his and the clubs reputation??

But Iím with you all the way about the shyte on the pitch 😀😀
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« Reply #28990 on: June 27, 2021, 10:01:09 am »

Iím well past caring about the land and who makes money from it. Should have been Cardoza until he royally screwed it up. It feels like some think the club have a divine right to have tens of millions pumped into it from some council land that has never really been of consequence. Theyíve promised to finish the stand before anything is done.
Iím half expecting some grandstanding statement from the council next week as the club have clearly and publicly shown their hand.
Owners are business people who develop varying levels of love for the club but never as much as their love for the £. It is too easy to paint them as the Anti-Christ.
Unless we are little league fan owned, or bank rolled by a mega rich Sheikh with a big ego who wants a hobby itís always going to be the same.
I think at least now weíll soon find out what is going to happen next and if we havenít got a finished stand in 12 months time, who knows if we ever will?
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« Reply #28991 on: June 27, 2021, 10:03:38 am »

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.

Over to KT and DB 👍🏽 And equally as importantly, a good season on the pitch after the sh*te of last year.
Peobably overly simplistic, but hasn't that always been the case, finish the stand and reap the rewards? The question on other peoples minds then being what is done with those rewards?
If the money is there why has there been a delay of 5 years, did/do they seeiously think someone was going to give them a helping hand with the initial outlay?
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« Reply #28992 on: June 27, 2021, 10:32:11 am »

Peobably overly simplistic, but hasn't that always been the case, finish the stand and reap the rewards? The question on other peoples minds then being what is done with those rewards?
If the money is there why has there been a delay of 5 years, did/do they seeiously think someone was going to give them a helping hand with the initial outlay?


I donít think it has been as transparent as it is today that it is totally about the lease. You are right, they could have finished the stand years ago if it wasnít about that. At least now they are declaring that. I think people are generally worn down by it and the council could now quickly become the villains in the piece. If the Trust stick around, they can only pin their colours to the council now. If the council succumb to KT, then Iím not sure where that leaves the Trust.
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« Reply #28993 on: June 27, 2021, 12:42:17 pm »

I donít think it has been as transparent as it is today that it is totally about the lease. You are right, they could have finished the stand years ago if it wasnít about that. At least now they are declaring that. I think people are generally worn down by it and the council could now quickly become the villains in the piece. If the Trust stick around, they can only pin their colours to the council now. If the council succumb to KT, then Iím not sure where that leaves the Trust.
Letís wait for the Trust statement on Monday, KT has broadsides them with two shots, itís time to fire back and may I politely suggest with everything they have.
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« Reply #28994 on: June 27, 2021, 13:18:51 pm »

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.

Over to KT and DB 👍🏽 And equally as importantly, a good season on the pitch after the sh*te of last year.

Trouble is Dan there is other land next to CDNL land that is under the control of NTFC via a 105 year lease from NBC

KT wants to develop his land with NTFC land hence the delay.

NBC wanted the Trust involved after being burnt by DC

Hence why after 6 years in the cold KT started talking nicely to the Trust as he needed them to get planning approved on the whole site

The Trust asked KT (on his request) questions about the development to help understand exactly what it meant for the future of NTFC

KT refused and wanted a controlled public zoom meeting which Trust refused as been victim to KT's spin machine before.

In the meantime The Trust finally got actual evidence of events that KT 'lied' about, KT knows they know and low and behold after 6 years he shows fans some CGI's to appease some fans in thinking we are going forward.

Although plans have not been submitted, no actual drawing shown, no costing, no internal layouts, sizes etc nothing. (I could knock up those cgi's in an afternoon) they mean nothing.
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« Reply #28995 on: June 27, 2021, 13:20:58 pm »

Letís wait for the Trust statement on Monday, KT has broadsides them with two shots, itís time to fire back and may I politely suggest with everything they have.

Everything they have? I'll look forwards to hearing that explosive wet fart tomorrow then....
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« Reply #28996 on: June 27, 2021, 13:53:28 pm »

Everything they have? I'll look forwards to hearing that explosive wet fart tomorrow then....


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ĎIfí the Trust had something of any substance about illegal activities it should/would have surfaced by now. Iíd have serious concerns if they do and havenít. If they havenít theyíll keep quiet. All that has been alluded to by a couple of people are second hand speculative rumours. Even if it was anything morally wrong theyíd be left p*sing in the wind.
If someone can do a vanishing trick with £10m, leading to a six year million pound investigation yet to be resolved, I doubt anyone is losing any sleep regarding some loose hints on the web.
I do admire the club for coming out fighting, reacting both to the Trustís letter and alleged conduct, plus shining a light on what they want from the council.
I get the sense though that it will just roll on for a while longer yet.
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« Reply #28997 on: June 27, 2021, 14:29:37 pm »

Been pondering the letter from the staff. If the owners have had enough of some of the more outrageous accusations flying about, they obviously have the option to sue. However, that can appear crass, egotistical, counterproductive and often difficult to achieve. However, they have a duty of care to the staff and many businesses are already under significant pressure due to Covid. If they are finding their roles increasingly difficult and challenging due to the circumstances described in their open letter then the owners arguably have an obligation to address the root cause of this additional burden. Perhaps this is a wild theory of my own, but my advice would be to take caution with any accusations. This situation appears to be evolving and changing rapidly, donít be too surprised if they decide to make an example of someone.
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« Reply #28998 on: June 27, 2021, 14:42:58 pm »

Been pondering the letter from the staff. If the owners have had enough of some of the more outrageous accusations flying about, they obviously have the option to sue. However, that can appear crass, egotistical, counterproductive and often difficult to achieve. However, they have a duty of care to the staff and many businesses are already under significant pressure due to Covid. If they are finding their roles increasingly difficult and challenging due to the circumstances described in their open letter then the owners arguably have an obligation to address the root cause of this additional burden. Perhaps this is a wild theory of my own, but my advice would be to take caution with any accusations. This situation appears to be evolving and changing rapidly, donít be too surprised if they decide to make an example of someone.
Couldnít agree more Melly, hence my refusal to post anything.
It really doesnít matter because Iím led to believe the council also know.
The question the council need to answer is are the club and tax payers getting a fair deal from the various land deals?
If the answer is yes Iíd be amazed.
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« Reply #28999 on: June 27, 2021, 15:06:23 pm »

Couldnít agree more Melly, hence my refusal to post anything.
It really doesnít matter because Iím led to believe the council also know.
The question the council need to answer is are the club and tax payers getting a fair deal from the various land deals?
If the answer is yes Iíd be amazed.

Mate, Iíll guarantee the answer will be yes. They are hardly likely to announce they have done a deal and by the way itís a rubbish outcome for the tax payers? The problem with the assessment of any deal is that it depends on your perspective. I reckon a fair few on here will be disappointed to put it mildly. I also reckon the owners will also be disappointed given the outlay, timescales and difficulties. I just wish it was all over personally, Iím sick of it tbh.
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