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« Reply #28980 on: June 27, 2021, 10:03:38 am »

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.

Over to KT and DB 👍🏽 And equally as importantly, a good season on the pitch after the sh*te of last year.
Peobably overly simplistic, but hasn't that always been the case, finish the stand and reap the rewards? The question on other peoples minds then being what is done with those rewards?
If the money is there why has there been a delay of 5 years, did/do they seeiously think someone was going to give them a helping hand with the initial outlay?
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« Reply #28981 on: June 27, 2021, 10:32:11 am »

Peobably overly simplistic, but hasn't that always been the case, finish the stand and reap the rewards? The question on other peoples minds then being what is done with those rewards?
If the money is there why has there been a delay of 5 years, did/do they seeiously think someone was going to give them a helping hand with the initial outlay?


I donít think it has been as transparent as it is today that it is totally about the lease. You are right, they could have finished the stand years ago if it wasnít about that. At least now they are declaring that. I think people are generally worn down by it and the council could now quickly become the villains in the piece. If the Trust stick around, they can only pin their colours to the council now. If the council succumb to KT, then Iím not sure where that leaves the Trust.
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« Reply #28982 on: June 27, 2021, 12:42:17 pm »

I donít think it has been as transparent as it is today that it is totally about the lease. You are right, they could have finished the stand years ago if it wasnít about that. At least now they are declaring that. I think people are generally worn down by it and the council could now quickly become the villains in the piece. If the Trust stick around, they can only pin their colours to the council now. If the council succumb to KT, then Iím not sure where that leaves the Trust.
Letís wait for the Trust statement on Monday, KT has broadsides them with two shots, itís time to fire back and may I politely suggest with everything they have.
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« Reply #28983 on: June 27, 2021, 13:18:51 pm »

Thanks Tcobb. Iím still very sceptical but saw how much land is owned by CDNL, and it is a lot. If I had the capital and the only thing that stopped me from doing as I pleased with that land was finishing a shell of a stand, Iíd find the way.

Over to KT and DB 👍🏽 And equally as importantly, a good season on the pitch after the sh*te of last year.

Trouble is Dan there is other land next to CDNL land that is under the control of NTFC via a 105 year lease from NBC

KT wants to develop his land with NTFC land hence the delay.

NBC wanted the Trust involved after being burnt by DC

Hence why after 6 years in the cold KT started talking nicely to the Trust as he needed them to get planning approved on the whole site

The Trust asked KT (on his request) questions about the development to help understand exactly what it meant for the future of NTFC

KT refused and wanted a controlled public zoom meeting which Trust refused as been victim to KT's spin machine before.

In the meantime The Trust finally got actual evidence of events that KT 'lied' about, KT knows they know and low and behold after 6 years he shows fans some CGI's to appease some fans in thinking we are going forward.

Although plans have not been submitted, no actual drawing shown, no costing, no internal layouts, sizes etc nothing. (I could knock up those cgi's in an afternoon) they mean nothing.
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« Reply #28984 on: June 27, 2021, 13:20:58 pm »

Letís wait for the Trust statement on Monday, KT has broadsides them with two shots, itís time to fire back and may I politely suggest with everything they have.

Everything they have? I'll look forwards to hearing that explosive wet fart tomorrow then....
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« Reply #28985 on: June 27, 2021, 13:53:28 pm »

Everything they have? I'll look forwards to hearing that explosive wet fart tomorrow then....


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ĎIfí the Trust had something of any substance about illegal activities it should/would have surfaced by now. Iíd have serious concerns if they do and havenít. If they havenít theyíll keep quiet. All that has been alluded to by a couple of people are second hand speculative rumours. Even if it was anything morally wrong theyíd be left p*sing in the wind.
If someone can do a vanishing trick with £10m, leading to a six year million pound investigation yet to be resolved, I doubt anyone is losing any sleep regarding some loose hints on the web.
I do admire the club for coming out fighting, reacting both to the Trustís letter and alleged conduct, plus shining a light on what they want from the council.
I get the sense though that it will just roll on for a while longer yet.
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« Reply #28986 on: June 27, 2021, 14:29:37 pm »

Been pondering the letter from the staff. If the owners have had enough of some of the more outrageous accusations flying about, they obviously have the option to sue. However, that can appear crass, egotistical, counterproductive and often difficult to achieve. However, they have a duty of care to the staff and many businesses are already under significant pressure due to Covid. If they are finding their roles increasingly difficult and challenging due to the circumstances described in their open letter then the owners arguably have an obligation to address the root cause of this additional burden. Perhaps this is a wild theory of my own, but my advice would be to take caution with any accusations. This situation appears to be evolving and changing rapidly, donít be too surprised if they decide to make an example of someone.
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« Reply #28987 on: June 27, 2021, 14:42:58 pm »

Been pondering the letter from the staff. If the owners have had enough of some of the more outrageous accusations flying about, they obviously have the option to sue. However, that can appear crass, egotistical, counterproductive and often difficult to achieve. However, they have a duty of care to the staff and many businesses are already under significant pressure due to Covid. If they are finding their roles increasingly difficult and challenging due to the circumstances described in their open letter then the owners arguably have an obligation to address the root cause of this additional burden. Perhaps this is a wild theory of my own, but my advice would be to take caution with any accusations. This situation appears to be evolving and changing rapidly, donít be too surprised if they decide to make an example of someone.
Couldnít agree more Melly, hence my refusal to post anything.
It really doesnít matter because Iím led to believe the council also know.
The question the council need to answer is are the club and tax payers getting a fair deal from the various land deals?
If the answer is yes Iíd be amazed.
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« Reply #28988 on: June 27, 2021, 15:06:23 pm »

Couldnít agree more Melly, hence my refusal to post anything.
It really doesnít matter because Iím led to believe the council also know.
The question the council need to answer is are the club and tax payers getting a fair deal from the various land deals?
If the answer is yes Iíd be amazed.

Mate, Iíll guarantee the answer will be yes. They are hardly likely to announce they have done a deal and by the way itís a rubbish outcome for the tax payers? The problem with the assessment of any deal is that it depends on your perspective. I reckon a fair few on here will be disappointed to put it mildly. I also reckon the owners will also be disappointed given the outlay, timescales and difficulties. I just wish it was all over personally, Iím sick of it tbh.
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« Reply #28989 on: June 27, 2021, 15:09:40 pm »

And if they donít want to do it your way, or the way some others want them toÖ Would you set about destroying his and the clubs reputation??

But Iím with you all the way about the shyte on the pitch 😀😀

No I wouldnít do that. Iíd have a sulk, say Iíd not buy a season ticket, and then remember the people who I go with each week, and succumb to a season ticket.

Peobably overly simplistic, but hasn't that always been the case, finish the stand and reap the rewards? The question on other peoples minds then being what is done with those rewards?
If the money is there why has there been a delay of 5 years, did/do they seeiously think someone was going to give them a helping hand with the initial outlay?


It probably is overly simplistic yes. I donít doubt that this reveal is heavily pressured by the ĎNew Hotelendí project. All I do know is in my job, I have dealt with both South Northants Council, and the reformed West Northants council. West Northants council is far more efficient as an entity. Maybe thatís the factor behind the sudden drive. I donít have that answer.

Trouble is Dan there is other land next to CDNL land that is under the control of NTFC via a 105 year lease from NBC

KT wants to develop his land with NTFC land hence the delay.

NBC wanted the Trust involved after being burnt by DC

Hence why after 6 years in the cold KT started talking nicely to the Trust as he needed them to get planning approved on the whole site

The Trust asked KT (on his request) questions about the development to help understand exactly what it meant for the future of NTFC

KT refused and wanted a controlled public zoom meeting which Trust refused as been victim to KT's spin machine before.

In the meantime The Trust finally got actual evidence of events that KT 'lied' about, KT knows they know and low and behold after 6 years he shows fans some CGI's to appease some fans in thinking we are going forward.

Although plans have not been submitted, no actual drawing shown, no costing, no internal layouts, sizes etc nothing. (I could knock up those cgi's in an afternoon) they mean nothing.

I said to Kelvin that he had done things I didnít agree with in regards to the trust. That will always remain the case. I also can believe that there is evidence held as you have alluded to.

I am far from KTs biggest supporter I can assure you. If thereís no talk of progression by the close of the year, I wonít be quiet 😂

I definitely think the Trust need a big reshuffle of the board members and how they conduct themselves going forward. Itís sadly lost support of a huge percentage of the fan base and thatís something which needs rectifying. That said, itís not an excuse to not get the answers for the questions which KT invited. Do you know why the Trust board werenít open to the zoom call Random?
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« Reply #28990 on: June 27, 2021, 15:33:35 pm »

I find it amazing that all out of all of the people that I know who have at some point put their thoughts straight to the chairman. None of them are the loud ones on here 😀😀
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« Reply #28991 on: June 27, 2021, 15:39:52 pm »

Hi Dan, i not sure 100% but I believe that KT wanted to do a public zoom call with all supporters invited. Now, i think it was highly likely that KT would have highjacked it to release this cgi presentation, moving the focus away from any detailed questions / answers. Hence why KT was pissed off that it was refused

The timings are not a coincidence re the East Stand presentation, sums up KT's dealings with the Trust over the 6 years IMHO.

Meaning to me the Trust were correct not to trust KT with a zoom call rather than answers in writing.

I think I am going to work on a timeline of events of KT time at NTFC to see if I and others (anyone) can make any sense of where we are now and more importantly where we are heading (which is what the Trust wanted answers for).

Please anyone send me (pm) any dates / events / interviews that they think should be included. I promise I will neutral, I will layout the facts and let them fall where they may. It will then be up to individuals to take an informed view of events, perhaps some of us will change our position. 

With due respect Dan, I bet there are 20+ posters on here who have said "i will wait until (such a point) and if nothing happens I will be unhappy" or words to that effect. Well its now been almost 6 years, pretty sure nobody said if nothing has happen by 2022 ..........

The last 6 years of DC bear a very very real comparison to the 6 years of KT and look how that ended up. Again something the Trust board members are very aware and concerned by.
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« Reply #28992 on: June 27, 2021, 16:28:08 pm »

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ĎIfí the Trust had something of any substance about illegal activities it should/would have surfaced by now. Iíd have serious concerns if they do and havenít. If they havenít theyíll keep quiet. All that has been alluded to by a couple of people are second hand speculative rumours. Even if it was anything morally wrong theyíd be left p*sing in the wind.
If someone can do a vanishing trick with £10m, leading to a six year million pound investigation yet to be resolved, I doubt anyone is losing any sleep regarding some loose hints on the web.
I do admire the club for coming out fighting, reacting both to the Trustís letter and alleged conduct, plus shining a light on what they want from the council.
I get the sense though that it will just roll on for a while longer yet.

If they have evidence of illegal activities and not informed the authorities they will be in trouble, anything other is purely opinion.
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« Reply #28993 on: June 27, 2021, 16:37:32 pm »

i think the football leagues rules on ownership might be of interest.

Don't think anything illegal, afterall you can borrow £10m from NBC and not do anything illegal !!!
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« Reply #28994 on: June 27, 2021, 19:20:23 pm »

i think the football leagues rules on ownership might be of interest.

Don't think anything illegal, afterall you can borrow £10m from NBC and not do anything illegal !!!

Time will tell.
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« Reply #28995 on: June 27, 2021, 20:08:32 pm »

Time will tell.
They Bushey boys are way too clever, if the Police canít find a case by now then I donít hold out much hope TBH.
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« Reply #28996 on: June 27, 2021, 21:20:09 pm »

They Bushey boys are way too clever, if the Police canít find a case by now then I donít hold out much hope TBH.

It is starting to look increasingly like an enigma wrapped in a riddle. Having said that, fraud cases are notoriously Protracted.

I know there is still a push in legal circles to have specialist jury's just to hear fraud cases. Imagine from a jurors perspective, trying to sift through the amount of very specialist information in a case like this if it goes to court. Is there an up to date figure on costs so far?
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« Reply #28997 on: June 27, 2021, 21:36:46 pm »

Just out of interest.. Does anybody know what happened to Mike Wailing?

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« Reply #28998 on: June 27, 2021, 21:43:28 pm »

It is starting to look increasingly like an enigma wrapped in a riddle. Having said that, fraud cases are notoriously Protracted.

I know there is still a push in legal circles to have specialist jury's just to hear fraud cases. Imagine from a jurors perspective, trying to sift through the amount of very specialist information in a case like this if it goes to court. Is there an up to date figure on costs so far?

I know they have been trying to get this passed for quite a few years now. It all stems from a case involving some serious white collar crime where the defendants basically walked because the jury were bamboozled by the defense team.
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« Reply #28999 on: June 27, 2021, 21:50:03 pm »

Just out of interest.. Does anybody know what happened to Mike Wailing?



Still listed as a non-executive board member as far as I know.
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