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« Reply #29020 on: June 28, 2021, 10:42:34 am »

Manwork. A couple of genuine questions for you. I know you've answered in-part elsewhere, but I'd find it helpful to have it all in one place and I don't think I'm alone in that.

(1) Do you genuinely believe that something illegal has been or is going on at the football club and/or amongst the current ownership, since they acquired the club?
(2) If so, and you turn out to be right, is what you believe has been going on easily evidenced?
(3) If so, why do you think that evidence hasn't been made public and/or handed to the relevant law enforcement authorities?

I know that you're not the only one who posts to this effect, but you are the most vocal which is why I'm asking you.
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« Reply #29021 on: June 28, 2021, 11:02:17 am »

The irony of your posts, and your take on the letter from the staff is that you fail to realise you are one of the people its directed at.

Your endless boring drivel and attacks without actually having the balls to stand behind it are causing some of the negativity towards the Trust, and I have no idea if you are even a member. You boldly state there are facts about the current owners that will end up in some great big reveal, but when challenged you run and hide stating you dont have the evidence and heard it from someone else. I dont know if you are a coward or a troll but either way you are in no way positively influencing the situation. There are many on here who I disagree with but respect their opinions. They, and I, sometimes let emotions get in the way and maybe post in a way that doesn't help but usually acknowledge that but at least have the ability to have a reasonable discussion, from different perspectives. You just pop up with soundbites and snipes.
I've usually been able to ignore you, or turn it into a joke, but well done, you've finally caught me.

Itís not difficult to be honest, Iíd wipe the floor with you in a sensible debate, happy to have one with you with no childish insults, like Iím a coward or troll.
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« Reply #29022 on: June 28, 2021, 11:14:34 am »

Itís not difficult to be honest, Iíd wipe the floor with you in a sensible debate, happy to have one with you with no childish insults, like Iím a coward or troll.
So engage in sensible debate on here then. Its not just with me. So calling me James  isn't childish?
I look forward to seeing more proactive and reasoned discussions going forward.
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« Reply #29023 on: June 28, 2021, 11:39:23 am »

So engage in sensible debate on here then. Its not just with me. So calling me James  isn't childish?
I look forward to seeing more proactive and reasoned discussions going forward.
My pleasure, but first let me clear something up, I have never or will never criticise the clubs staff for their efforts in the community, my option is they do an excellent job.
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« Reply #29024 on: June 28, 2021, 11:58:54 am »

My pleasure, but first let me clear something up, I have never or will never criticise the clubs staff for their efforts in the community, my option is they do an excellent job.

Indeed they do, therefore I also take the letter they wrote at face value and wouldnít speculate that it was some contrived plan coming from the top.
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« Reply #29025 on: June 28, 2021, 12:39:57 pm »

Indeed they do, therefore I also take the letter they wrote at face value and wouldnít speculate that it was some contrived plan coming from the top.
Would you allow your employees to post that on a club website?
It may not be contrived in the eyes of the authorís but itís very existence has been manipulated.
This timing of it is indisputable evidence of such.
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« Reply #29026 on: June 28, 2021, 12:45:48 pm »

Itís not difficult to be honest, Iíd wipe the floor with you in a sensible debate, happy to have one with you with no childish insults, like Iím a coward or troll.


I don't think that's 'sensible' are you 5 years old?
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« Reply #29027 on: June 28, 2021, 12:53:32 pm »

I don't think that's 'sensible' are you 5 years old?
Why do you want to know if Iím 5 years old?
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« Reply #29028 on: June 28, 2021, 13:03:38 pm »

Why do you want to know if Iím 5 years old?

My real name is Peter Winkleman
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« Reply #29029 on: June 28, 2021, 13:05:58 pm »

My real name is Peter Winkleman
Haha good answer.
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« Reply #29030 on: June 28, 2021, 13:28:35 pm »


I just went over to the Trust website to see if they have issued any sort of apology or rebuttal to the letter from the club staff over the weekend. They haven't, but while I was on there I couldn't resist having a peek at their forum.

I last looked not long after it launched and it was tumbleweed city. I thought it might have got going a bit since then,  but it hasn't.  Since February last year, there have been 67 posts. As far as I could see, every single one of those was from Roger, Andy R or a user called "Trust" which would seem to be the admin account.

No one has posted a thing in nearly 4 months.

Looking at the Trust's Facebook page, their big statement last Tuesday triggered a whopping 3 comments, all of which were posted in the last 24 hours and were taking issue with the Trust over the letter from the club staff.

This shows a pretty shocking level of engagement with the supporters (or anyone, actually) 

I'm sorry, but they really do need to up their game if they want to be taken seriously.

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« Reply #29031 on: June 28, 2021, 13:32:58 pm »

I just went over to the Trust website to see if they have issued any sort of apology or rebuttal to the letter from the club staff over the weekend. They haven't, but while I was on there I couldn't resist having a peek at their forum.

I last looked not long after it launched and it was tumbleweed city. I thought it might have got going a bit since then,  but it hasn't.  Since February last year, there have been 67 posts. As far as I could see, every single one of those was from Roger, Andy R or a user called "Trust" which would seem to be the admin account.

No one has posted a thing in nearly 4 months.

Looking at the Trust's Facebook page, their big statement last Tuesday triggered a whopping 3 comments, all of which were posted in the last 24 hours and were taking issue with the Trust over the letter from the club staff.

This shows a pretty shocking level of engagement with the supporters (or anyone, actually) 

I'm sorry, but they really do need to up their game if they want to be taken seriously.


Totally agree, they are not doing themselves any favours.
I donít doubt itís for the right reasons but at the moment they are making a right Horlicks of it and itís playing right into KTs hands.
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« Reply #29032 on: June 28, 2021, 13:42:13 pm »

Manwork. A couple of genuine questions for you. I know you've answered in-part elsewhere, but I'd find it helpful to have it all in one place and I don't think I'm alone in that.

(1) Do you genuinely believe that something illegal has been or is going on at the football club and/or amongst the current ownership, since they acquired the club?
(2) If so, and you turn out to be right, is what you believe has been going on easily evidenced?
(3) If so, why do you think that evidence hasn't been made public and/or handed to the relevant law enforcement authorities?

I know that you're not the only one who posts to this effect, but you are the most vocal which is why I'm asking you.

I know Manwork has been vocal about this, but others have also as mentioned, so they should feel free to answer the above as well.
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« Reply #29033 on: June 28, 2021, 14:27:57 pm »

Been fairly neutral when it's come to the Trust issue.
However, it has been becoming clearer for many months if not years, certain individuals have their own agenda, and wish that outcome at the expense of the club, certainly KT/DB and anything they do (or don't) for the club.

Time for the Trust to be cleansed, folded...or for some to go the same way as Hancock...Matt not Tony that is!  Wink
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« Reply #29034 on: June 28, 2021, 14:50:11 pm »

I know Manwork has been vocal about this, but others have also as mentioned, so they should feel free to answer the above as well.

Yep. There are also ways of answering without getting yourself into hot water... not that anyone should be worried if what they're saying/implying is true.
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« Reply #29035 on: June 28, 2021, 15:17:59 pm »

Can anyone remember the level of debt owed by the club when our current owners took over? Seem to remember it being a few hundred thousand... I believe it's now in the region of £6.7m?
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« Reply #29036 on: June 28, 2021, 15:40:43 pm »

Can anyone remember the level of debt owed by the club when our current owners took over? Seem to remember it being a few hundred thousand... I believe it's now in the region of £6.7m?

I can't, but I'm really not sure how much it matters, in the short- to medium-term at least.

The club has nowhere near the kind of cash needed to service those debts. If they're called in the end-game would be winding-up proceedings, at which point KT/DB wouldn't see a penny anyway.

They can't just 'strip the assets' as I've seen suggested in at least one post on here. That is unless they're not arsed about their other directorships and/or any they might hope to hold in the future. Even then they'd struggle to come out sitting pretty.

The loans are, to all intents and purposes, a gift. That is true until the club generates enough cash to cover them, at which point why shouldn't the owners get their money back?
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« Reply #29037 on: June 28, 2021, 16:05:43 pm »

Cant we have a dedicated trust thread somewhere, its hi-jacking the redev thread FFS  Huh?

The trust taking over here has spread the redev out, and talk of redev is breaking out all over the fucking place Mods!! Do some tidying up.

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« Reply #29038 on: June 28, 2021, 16:17:59 pm »

Can anyone remember the level of debt owed by the club when our current owners took over? Seem to remember it being a few hundred thousand... I believe it's now in the region of £6.7m?
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About £5million was owed to the Cardozas, which was written-off. So rest of the debt would have been a few hundred k. The club hasn't really changed in terms of fan base, so it's no surprise the losses that were incurred under the Cardozas contunue to be incurred under KT/DB.
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« Reply #29039 on: June 28, 2021, 16:28:47 pm »

Would you allow your employees to post that on a club website?
It may not be contrived in the eyes of the authorís but itís very existence has been manipulated.
This timing of it is indisputable evidence of such.

I agree the mechanism is curious but also consider the staff have somewhat limited means to communicate effectively & whilst I'm sure KT knew and approved of the posting, which certainly suited his agenda but I also know first hand how some of the honest hardworking staff were sick of the innuendos and insults being posted with no right of reply.

To be honest I think the issues have so polarised the fan base that it can only cause damage - unfortunately we seem now to live in a society (Brexit being a perfect example) where a view is 100% right or 100% wrong - in truth we all know that is rarely the case and I think for the sake of our club we should all occasionally step in the other guys shoes. 
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