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« Reply #1120 on: April 18, 2014, 07:25:28 am »

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« Reply #1121 on: April 18, 2014, 07:40:24 am »

Stiltfields Stadium.
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« Reply #1122 on: April 18, 2014, 08:24:59 am »

The Sixstilt Arena.
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« Reply #1123 on: April 18, 2014, 09:10:17 am »

It would never happen but it would actually make a lot of sense for both parties.

Wouldn't it just.

Right, me and Big Dave, and a few thousand others, are off now to see what a 10,000 capacity stadium looks like Evil
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« Reply #1124 on: April 18, 2014, 10:42:33 am »

Wouldn't it just.

Right, me and Big Dave, and a few thousand others, are off now to see what a 10,000 capacity stadium looks like Evil

With executive boxes that they can't sell for 7-10k a season (dependant on how close to the half way line they are!!), so much so that they are available for hire on a match to match basis for £500!
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« Reply #1125 on: April 18, 2014, 11:26:37 am »

Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.

Up and down like a whore's drawers and with gross "parachute payments" from 3 relegations. I can see how they can be used as an example for us to follow.
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« Reply #1126 on: April 18, 2014, 19:11:15 pm »

Surely converting the east stand into the one with boxes at Wycombe would be achievable and make the positive difference the fans and Cardoza wants? All this bitty stuff is completely uninspiring.
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« Reply #1127 on: April 18, 2014, 19:22:54 pm »

Surely converting the east stand into the one with boxes at Wycombe would be achievable and make the positive difference the fans and Cardoza wants?
I think that there is a big difference between what the fans want, and what Cardoza will provide.
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« Reply #1128 on: April 18, 2014, 19:26:08 pm »

I accept that but surely a stNd like wycombes would show some ambition and would provide Cardoza with his aims.
On the way home today we were discussing all the teams that have had major ground developments and all of them showed some ambition which has paid off for so many.
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« Reply #1129 on: April 18, 2014, 19:52:44 pm »

I accept that but surely a stNd like wycombes would show some ambition and would provide Cardoza with his aims.
On the way home today we were discussing all the teams that have had major ground developments and all of them showed some ambition which has paid off for so many.
I have lost faith in what will be delivered. We are all going to be very disappointed.
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« Reply #1130 on: April 18, 2014, 20:46:27 pm »

I have lost faith in what will be delivered. We are all going to be very disappointed.
Not me. I expect it to be s*** so won't be disappointed.
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« Reply #1131 on: April 19, 2014, 06:42:32 am »

Look at WBA, years ago they got into the Prem and struggled. The fans were calling
 for £5 m signings to stay up. The board refused and invested in the ground, staff and state of art training facilities. 10 years on or whatever, they are a reasonable prem club because their facilities allow them to attract the players and keep the better ones.


Up and down like a ****'s drawers and with gross "parachute payments" from 3 relegations. I can see how they can be used as an example for us to follow.
last relegated 5 years ago. Finished 8th last year. I'd like to follow this example please. Their business plan factored in they'd get relegated in their first season in the prem so they knew they'd get parachite payments. They had 2 or 3 yo yo years, which they knew they'd have, and they used this money to cement a future in the top flight. Which they look to have done. Like I say. I'd swap.
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« Reply #1132 on: April 19, 2014, 12:09:33 pm »

last relegated 5 years ago. Finished 8th last year. I'd like to follow this example please. Their business plan factored in they'd get relegated in their first season in the prem so they knew they'd get parachite payments. They had 2 or 3 yo yo years, which they knew they'd have, and they used this money to cement a future in the top flight. Which they look to have done. Like I say. I'd swap.

They must have had a five year plan Tongue
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« Reply #1133 on: April 19, 2014, 13:05:36 pm »

Well, marquess, would you have been happy with the first relegation? And the second? And the third? Or is this simply hindsight? And another relegation is still only just about off the cards.
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« Reply #1134 on: April 19, 2014, 14:18:36 pm »

I'd be happy with doncasters yo yo between championship and league 1 never mind west brom.
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« Reply #1135 on: April 19, 2014, 14:24:10 pm »

I'd be happy with doncasters yo yo between championship and league 1 never mind west brom.
I too would be happy with this example.
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« Reply #1136 on: April 19, 2014, 14:29:50 pm »

All built on a decent redevelopment too
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« Reply #1137 on: April 19, 2014, 18:29:50 pm »

yep Doncaster a good example too  deffo

The point about WBA was that before that first promo they were Champ / Div 1 even.

Now they are Prem / top Champ,  in short Cricketside they moved forward due to FORWARD planning. Obviously Prem money builds a lot of infrastructure but they made that decision for the long term.

DC always promised that the development was to drive the club forward and all improvement would be made then. Boxes on stilts does not seem that much of an improvement for £7.5 mill

Interestingly Wycombe have a nice stand with many boxes, have outside signage, have £800 draw prize, but when you look closely they have let the ground decay quite a bit and are obviously as low as us. To me having boxes does NOT mean that much. It is the whole focus of the club

The players /  management are 85% of the success of a club but that to me goes down massively if the club is falling down around them.

At the end of the day we are 23rd with a top 7 budget  WHY WHY WHY?     The answer is not executive boxes or lack of them.

Did Doncaster become a big club after their new stadium move? Did they invest in the club and staff not just the players?  I don't know nor do i know what it has cost them but is their Chairman just interested in development or is he interested in the football club??



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« Reply #1138 on: April 19, 2014, 20:02:05 pm »

Just read this on the OS:

"I appreciate fans want to know certainties but while trying to fit an 18 month project into around 5 months we have to be flexible and retain an open mind to help the club benefit to the maximum," writes Chairman David Cardoza in Monday's programme, talking about the re-development.

"If the developers come to us tomorrow and say ‘you can have this instead’ and it improves the stadium we are not going to say ‘sorry, we have announced we are doing that instead, so no thanks.’ We will continue to do the best we can to generate the best facilities for the club and the supporters until the line in the sand has to be drawn and the building commenced."

What struck me as odd is when he talks about "the developers" presenting alternatives to what was originally planned. DC and his father are directors of the developers so effectively its one of the same. The changes appear to be emanating from DC/NTFC so why present it like a third party is constantly moving the goalposts? 
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« Reply #1139 on: April 19, 2014, 20:36:25 pm »

So, random, are you saying they deliberately got relegated, with low cost players, so they could develop the ground? Then get relegated again to do a bit more? And then a third relegation to upgrade the toilets? It's still only 'upgraded' and holds under 26,000. Our supporters would be pretty pissed off if, after all that, we were struggling again. What do they do with their millions?
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