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« Reply #26500 on: January 26, 2020, 12:03:24 pm »

You must have a terrible headache from banging your head against that wall for so long!
If it helps ease the pain , I agree with you.
Not really. Opinions will vary especially when itís so emotive. This is where I think the trust are struggling. They are supposed to represent the supporters, but what happens when opinion is so divided? IMO the trust can only be truly effective in its role as a guardian of the club when there is an overwhelming consensus of opinion regarding direction, or the club is in imminent peril? As a result I have quite a bit of sympathy with them myself.
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« Reply #26501 on: January 26, 2020, 12:47:23 pm »

Not really. Opinions will vary especially when itís so emotive. This is where I think the trust are struggling. They are supposed to represent the supporters, but what happens when opinion is so divided? IMO the trust can only be truly effective in its role as a guardian of the club when there is an overwhelming consensus of opinion regarding direction, or the club is in imminent peril? As a result I have quite a bit of sympathy with them myself.

I think the Trust is in a state of limbo at the moment, it obviously has it's doubts or concerns about the Club's owners whilst not be as violently opposed as several Hotel Enders.
Meanwhile, although I'm sure 100% of supporters would like to see the East Stand finished, I would guess at least 95% of fans are perfectly happy with KT and Co.
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« Reply #26502 on: January 26, 2020, 13:09:11 pm »

Vintage are you aware you do more harm than good.
You do no good at all. While you're a member of the Trust I will never back the Trust.
Thanks.
OK so judging by the same standards you obviously don't back the current regime at NTFC as some of the staff who run the club , on a day to day basis, are also members of the Trust  Smiley
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« Reply #26503 on: January 26, 2020, 20:15:30 pm »

OK so judging by the same standards you obviously don't back the current regime at NTFC as some of the staff who run the club , on a day to day basis, are also members of the Trust  Smiley

I don't back either party. Both as bad as each other.
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« Reply #26504 on: January 26, 2020, 20:54:10 pm »

I don't back either party. Both as bad as each other.
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No problem  Wink
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« Reply #26505 on: January 26, 2020, 21:01:12 pm »

Im still confused because it all comes down to the same thing. I understand many believe there was a commitment that the East would be finished, and perhaps with some justification? However, at the point we were about to go under if someone were to come along and state that they would put 5 million into the club, possibly on the squad, maybe on the ground but 5 million nevertheless and save it from oblivion, can anyone hand on heart say they would have turned it down? As I have said before had Chris Wilder remained and there had been a sustained and possible push for the Championship, maybe the ground would have been developed? However, the way things panned out with the revolving door of managers and subsequent relegation with us selling the ground out, what once post Wilder, come on it would be financial nonsense? You can make all the statements of intent you like regarding a business plan, but if circumstances change you would be irresponsible and/or reckless to carry on regardless and expose the business to even more unsustainable debt? Any reasonable person has to understand this? I get there may be frustration and disappointment, but personally I am firmly in the camp that the current circumstances were inevitable given the performance of the team following the departure of Chris Wilder? Therefore at this point in time given the 5 million investment to date, I believe that the current board have done all that could have reasonably been expected of them in light of the circumstances they have faced. If this was just about a land rip off and nothing more why have they pumped in 5 million, it just doesnít add up? Yes you may have spent it differently if it were your money, but 5 million in 4 years on a league 2 club is hardly milking it for all you can get? Once their tenure has come to an end perhaps I will change my opinion when all the wheeling and dealing is concluded, it wouldnít be the first time Iíve been wrong? However, at this point in time thatís how I see it?

I agree with much of what you say, but Iíll take the 5 million thing....nobody ever says that half of that was down to the failed 5USports fiasco, one which has never been fully explained.

It was the spend spend spend after that deal was announced that needed covering after relegation by the loan from Belle De Jour.

Yes, they may have pumped £5m in, but sooner or later someone has to ask what weíve got for it? In any other business getting nothing for £5m would be seen as poor management surely?

Having said last week that they had a bank account with £11m in it was an eye opener. If you could spend £11m to make £30m that would be good business though!

Do you really think they would have put £5m in if there wasnít a land deal at the end of the rainbow?
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« Reply #26506 on: January 26, 2020, 22:01:35 pm »

I agree with much of what you say, but Iíll take the 5 million thing....nobody ever says that half of that was down to the failed 5USports fiasco, one which has never been fully explained.

It was the spend spend spend after that deal was announced that needed covering after relegation by the loan from Belle De Jour.

Yes, they may have pumped £5m in, but sooner or later someone has to ask what weíve got for it? In any other business getting nothing for £5m would be seen as poor management surely?

Having said last week that they had a bank account with £11m in it was an eye opener. If you could spend £11m to make £30m that would be good business though!

Do you really think they would have put £5m in if there wasnít a land deal at the end of the rainbow?
No, I donít think they would have put in 5 million without the prospect of a return, that would be insane. Thing is GPC they didnít have to change managers with the tenacity and frequency they did exposing themselves to the subsequent financial consequences. They didnít have to back each of them in the transfer market to the extent they have? Where does the club currently sit in the salary league table? None of this needed to be financed to the degree it has if they were just here to make a killing? My view is they would have recruited cheaper managers, kept them for longer, reduced the budget, IMO these are not the actions of solely rapacious individuals, itís so contradictory itís ridiculous? Do I question their judgement in putting 5 million into a league 2 club over the length of time they have given the obstacles they have faced over the land, absolutely. Do I think they are mercenary, land grabbing parasites here to make a quick killing, absolutely not, and I am yet to see one reasonable explanation on here to address the contradiction?
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« Reply #26507 on: January 27, 2020, 09:54:00 am »

No, I donít think they would have put in 5 million without the prospect of a return, that would be insane. Thing is GPC they didnít have to change managers with the tenacity and frequency they did exposing themselves to the subsequent financial consequences. They didnít have to back each of them in the transfer market to the extent they have? Where does the club currently sit in the salary league table? None of this needed to be financed to the degree it has if they were just here to make a killing? My view is they would have recruited cheaper managers, kept them for longer, reduced the budget, IMO these are not the actions of solely rapacious individuals, itís so contradictory itís ridiculous? Do I question their judgement in putting 5 million into a league 2 club over the length of time they have given the obstacles they have faced over the land, absolutely. Do I think they are mercenary, land grabbing parasites here to make a quick killing, absolutely not, and I am yet to see one reasonable explanation on here to address the contradiction?
I agree, Its much easier to chuck other peoples money down the drain in attempts to maintain league position especially if you believe it to be already in the account. So simple high stakes gambling that turns into bad management when it goes wrong and we get relegated and the deal goes awry?
What part of any prospective land deal were the Chinese going to benefit from compared to the club and the current owners of the club? I dont pretend to know the details surrounding the brief partnership between the parties although I do remember reading about it and thinking it's not a simple straightforward takeover even though they appeared to have put the monies for a controlling stake.
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« Reply #26508 on: January 27, 2020, 10:08:47 am »

Nice to hear Sam Ricketts yesterday praising his chairman for how he has turned their debt around and how the emphasis at the club is to develop the infrastructre for the long term irrespective of the vagaries and immediacy of league position when he was asked if he would be able to get additional players in with the windfall of a replay at Anfield.
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« Reply #26509 on: January 27, 2020, 12:09:06 pm »

Nice to hear Sam Ricketts yesterday praising his chairman for how he has turned their debt around and how the emphasis at the club is to develop the infrastructre for the long term irrespective of the vagaries and immediacy of league position when he was asked if he would be able to get additional players in with the windfall of a replay at Anfield.

Hasn't KC said similar recently? Behind the scenes development that cost money.
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« Reply #26510 on: January 27, 2020, 12:21:38 pm »

Why is this thread used over 1327 pages and nothing has happened in that time can everyone just get over it accept kelvin Thomas doesnít give 2 f**ks about the club and is only in it for the winger the selfish b*****d, lets focus on securing promotion out of this useless division any get Mike Ashley to take us over
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« Reply #26511 on: January 27, 2020, 13:07:51 pm »

Hasn't KC said similar recently? Behind the scenes development that cost money.
I don't know.
If KC has said that, what do you suppose he was referring to?
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« Reply #26512 on: January 27, 2020, 14:04:22 pm »

Why is this thread used over 1327 pages and nothing has happened in that time can everyone just get over it accept kelvin Thomas doesnít give 2 f**ks about the club and is only in it for the winger the selfish b*****d, lets focus on securing promotion out of this useless division any get Mike Ashley to take us over
Its because nothing has happened that this thread is the length it is.
That, and people asking stupid questions.
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« Reply #26513 on: January 27, 2020, 14:04:50 pm »

I don't know.
If KC has said that, what do you suppose he was referring to?

In KCs case, I can only assume it's to do with training or other similar facilities towards the first team or academy squads?

I can't remember where I saw it, but I am fairly sure he talked about sustainability of the club, not just about first team strengthening?
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« Reply #26514 on: January 27, 2020, 17:29:53 pm »

No, I donít think they would have put in 5 million without the prospect of a return, that would be insane. Thing is GPC they didnít have to change managers with the tenacity and frequency they did exposing themselves to the subsequent financial consequences. They didnít have to back each of them in the transfer market to the extent they have? Where does the club currently sit in the salary league table? None of this needed to be financed to the degree it has if they were just here to make a killing? My view is they would have recruited cheaper managers, kept them for longer, reduced the budget, IMO these are not the actions of solely rapacious individuals, itís so contradictory itís ridiculous? Do I question their judgement in putting 5 million into a league 2 club over the length of time they have given the obstacles they have faced over the land, absolutely. Do I think they are mercenary, land grabbing parasites here to make a quick killing, absolutely not, and I am yet to see one reasonable explanation on here to address the contradiction?

Decent post and probably hits most 'like' button on here!
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« Reply #26515 on: January 28, 2020, 11:14:59 am »

Somebody mentioned way back near the start of this thread in 1935 that we should raise the funds.

I actually thought it a good idea, you're not waiting on dodgy owners (DC) the PR would be great with so many ways to make donations/crowd funding these days. Nobody can object to fans funding a stand, how dare they! Chairmen may come and go but they rarely take stands with them.

So it's nearly 8 years now, 5 quid each a week by now could have been sizable, if (big if) we could've kept a hard core 3000 or so interested in donating a little each week that long!

I as an exile, I would very happily have donated way more than that if given the chance, there may also be mystery benefactors hidden too, some old Doris who's bored of cats may decide her wealth should go into a fans stand instead when she pops her claret clogs. You just never know.

Only problem we don't have anybody capable of arranging or promoting such an idea, only dismissing it.


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« Reply #26516 on: January 28, 2020, 12:20:27 pm »

Somebody mentioned way back near the start of this thread in 1935 that we should raise the funds.

I actually thought it a good idea, you're not waiting on dodgy owners (DC) the PR would be great with so many ways to make donations/crowd funding these days. Nobody can object to fans funding a stand, how dare they! Chairmen may come and go but they rarely take stands with them.

So it's nearly 8 years now, 5 quid each a week by now could have been sizable, if (big if) we could've kept a hard core 3000 or so interested in donating a little each week that long!

I as an exile, I would very happily have donated way more than that if given the chance, there may also be mystery benefactors hidden too, some old Doris who's bored of cats may decide her wealth should go into a fans stand instead when she pops her claret clogs. You just never know.

Only problem we don't have anybody capable of arranging or promoting such an idea, only dismissing it.



Iím in, so is Manny, at least he was?
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« Reply #26517 on: January 28, 2020, 13:04:42 pm »

Somebody mentioned way back near the start of this thread in 1935 that we should raise the funds.

I actually thought it a good idea, you're not waiting on dodgy owners (DC) the PR would be great with so many ways to make donations/crowd funding these days. Nobody can object to fans funding a stand, how dare they! Chairmen may come and go but they rarely take stands with them.

So it's nearly 8 years now, 5 quid each a week by now could have been sizable, if (big if) we could've kept a hard core 3000 or so interested in donating a little each week that long!

I as an exile, I would very happily have donated way more than that if given the chance, there may also be mystery benefactors hidden too, some old Doris who's bored of cats may decide her wealth should go into a fans stand instead when she pops her claret clogs. You just never know.

Only problem we don't have anybody capable of arranging or promoting such an idea, only dismissing it.



I agree with your sentiments and would join in BUT I think the flaw would be that you would do well to get 300 instead of 3000!
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« Reply #26518 on: January 28, 2020, 16:52:46 pm »

If we happen to beat Derby can we just copy and paste some comments from 2016 in here please to save time.  Grin
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« Reply #26519 on: January 28, 2020, 17:32:37 pm »

If we happen to beat Derby can we just copy and paste some comments from 2016 in here please to save time.  Grin

I am sure if you got one of those AI bots to read this thread they could competently take part in the merry go round and stay undetected.
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