Emergancy board meeting

[sxcobbler]

This is surely a key week or so....coming up.

Lose at Oxford, out of the Cup at Ipswich and the prospect of a Gillingham side that hasn't won away for ages ( with our record of arresting such bad runs).....

Followed by a trip to Lincoln with Tilson their new Manager and then the leaders Port Vale at home.

I reckon our best chance is against the Vale.

After this little spell  we will need an Emergency Board meeting.

[brickowski]

So there wasn't an emergency board meeting and it was total bollocks? There's a surprise

[wazzacobbler]

So there wasn't an emergency board meeting and it was total bollocks? There's a surprise

At what point did you believe there was one?

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Here you go Steve, the definition of hindsight in the Oxford dictionay. Note the word, AFTER!

The ability to understand, after something has happened, what should have been done or what caused the event

Hindsight is the perfect sixth sense.

It is your right to make a few mistakes. If people can't accept your imperfections, that's their fault.
Failure is not the falling down but the staying down.

Hopefully we are learning from the mistakes and will soon be on our way back up.  

[St Edmundsbury Cobbler]

we're just going through a bit of a blip in the league.

4 wins in 23 league games isn't what I'd call a bit of a blip!!!!

[TbananaG]

Yeah, well, quite a big blip, I admit!

[Alfred]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20101021/message-from-the-manager_2262950_2192317

Interesting stuff from Calderwood ... not Cobblers related but he makes some very good points about team management in general

"Would rather win ugly, than lose playing great stuff"

[SteveRiches]

Here you go Steve, the definition of hindsight in the Oxford dictionay. Note the word, AFTER!

The ability to understand, after something has happened, what should have been done or what caused the event

Blimey mate - that's TWICE in a week you've looked in a dictionary! I take my hat off to you.

[St Edmundsbury Cobbler]

Since we drew 0-0 at Leicester toward the end of October 2008, we've won 28 from 93 league games.  28 wins in two years is a hell of a blip.

But I can't work out just whose to blame.....

Stuart Gray originally shouldered it after we pitfully rolled over and suffered relegation, although according to some on here we were too good to go down and we were playing good football and we should give Gray time. Cardoza agreed with that, gave him the summer to build a team and then 6 games into last season fired him.

So onto Ian Sampson.  Now although he's been part of the management team for those 93 games, we can't blame him because, according to some in the infamous "New Broom" thread when Gray left, he had no input whatsoever into team affairs and could shoulder no blame for our relegation and we can't blame him now because he's still learning, we're playing good football and most of all he's a club legend. Originally he was manager to the end of last season and we'll see what happens but we had a decent run in the first three months of this year (our only decent run in the last 2 years) during which Cardoza decided to give him a 3 year contract!!!!!

And we can't blame Cardoza because under his stewardship we've gone from the club being saved to breaking our transfer record twice and having a great future in a big stadium to having no money and, despite "going in the right direction", we are worringly looking over our shoulder at the Blue Square Prem trap door!!!

I think I'm going to side with Ian Atkins and just blame Charlie Bishop.

Something needs to happen and fast because if things don't start to turn round soon, we're going to find ourselves in a relegation scrap.  And when you've gone on a run of 3 defeats in a row to teams like Macc, Cheltenham and Hereford, I think we should be very worried.

[Bingers]

I think I'm going to side with Ian Atkins and just blame Charlie Bishop.

Absolutely spot on.

[bungle]

Since we drew 0-0 at Leicester toward the end of October 2008, we've won 28 from 93 league games.  28 wins in two years is a hell of a blip.

But I can't work out just whose to blame.....

Stuart Gray originally shouldered it after we pitfully rolled over and suffered relegation, although according to some on here we were too good to go down and we were playing good football and we should give Gray time. Cardoza agreed with that, gave him the summer to build a team and then 6 games into last season fired him.

So onto Ian Sampson.  Now although he's been part of the management team for those 93 games, we can't blame him because, according to some in the infamous "New Broom" thread when Gray left, he had no input whatsoever into team affairs and could shoulder no blame for our relegation and we can't blame him now because he's still learning, we're playing good football and most of all he's a club legend. Originally he was manager to the end of last season and we'll see what happens but we had a decent run in the first three months of this year (our only decent run in the last 2 years) during which Cardoza decided to give him a 3 year contract!!!!!

And we can't blame Cardoza because under his stewardship we've gone from the club being saved to breaking our transfer record twice and having a great future in a big stadium to having no money and, despite "going in the right direction", we are worringly looking over our shoulder at the Blue Square Prem trap door!!!

I think I'm going to side with Ian Atkins and just blame Charlie Bishop.

Something needs to happen and fast because if things don't start to turn round soon, we're going to find ourselves in a relegation scrap.  And when you've gone on a run of 3 defeats in a row to teams like Macc, Cheltenham and Hereford, I think we should be very worried.

Great post - sums it all up really. For me it all boils down to managerial appointments. The appointment of Wilkinson at the beginning of the current board's era set the tone - no rigorous interview process, no consideration of the man's history of failure, just pick the guy who happens to be at the right place at the right time. Result: the guy wastes the biggest transfer budget in our history assembling a squad with three goalkeepers and overated luxuries like Josh Low.

Most of the other appointments have followed the same pattern. The notable exception to this was Colin Calderwood who, whilst by no means a great manager, was nonetheless competent, solid and professional.  I seem to recall that at that time DC said that he had 'asked respected figures in the game' and they had recommended CC. Not the most rigorous appointment process, perhaps, but at least there was evidence that he had thought it through and asked for advice.

The appointment of Sammo was a throwback to the appointment of Wilkinson: pick the cheap guy who's on the payroll already. Sammo was appointed in spite of what must be one of the worst caretaker manager stints in history in which we shipped goals in left, right and centre.

We're now paying the price for this lack of rigour. When we appoint our next manager we must ensure that we do due dilligence and a proper interview process. The appointment of a manager is the most important decision a chairman can make - it should not be taken lightly.     





 

[Ralap]

When we appoint our next manager we must ensure that we do due dilligence and a proper interview process. The appointment of a manager is the most important decision a chairman can make - it should not be taken lightly.     

Hmmm, unfortunately that manager you mention sounds suspiciously like someone we might have to pay a wage to.

I heard a rumour that not only was Sammo the cheep option he was probably by far the cheepest option as he didn't get a pay rise from his previous position.

He' doing quite well really, hey?

[Marvo]

Hmmm, unfortunately that manager you mention sounds suspiciously like someone we might have to pay a wage to.

I heard a rumour that not only was Sammo the cheep option he was probably by far the cheepest option as he didn't get a pay rise from his previous position.

He' doing quite well really, hey?

I'm trying to get my head around what you're saying here Ralap. Are you seriously suggesting that had Sammo been paid more he would be doing better?

The only way I can see that being possible is if he is deliberately underperforming because he is disatisfied with his present wage packet.

[Ted]

It's just yet another example of blind loyalty leading to the erroneous conclusion that Sammo is a victim of circumstances. He wanted the job, he was offered the job and he subsequently accepted the job on the terms that were offered. Regardless of circumstances, the man is failing.

[bungle]

This is, and has been my point since DC has taken over. Getting rid of Sammo will just unleash another opportunity to pay off one cheap manager to install another one.

But where does that leave us as fans? Most of us know that Sammo's not up to the job and yet we also know that if he goes we'll probably end up with another cheap, inadequate manager. I think the local media and the supporters trust need to do a better job at holding the board to account. They should have been right in there asking probing questions when it became apparent that Sammo was going to be appointed. Why was he appointed after such a disastrous spell as caretaker? Why weren't any other candidates interviewed or even considered? These are the questions that should have been asked.

I don't blame Sammo on a personal level at all.  He wanted the job because realistically it was the only chance that was going to fall his way. If a new man had been appointed there's even a chance that he would have lost his job as an assistant. He is a man of great integrity, commitment and passion. I still desperately hope he succeeds; I just can't see it happening.

[Ralap]

I'm trying to get my head around what you're saying here Ralap. Are you seriously suggesting that had Sammo been paid more he would be doing better?

The post I quoted seems to want a manager that would need a decent wage. I pointed out that Sammo is on a poor wage for a full time manager. With Cardoza telling us there is no money available, if we carry on with this managers budget and Sammo is sacked we can expect another complete novice or just maybe someone worth the wage. Obviously the more likely next manager will be Crosby. Nothing more sinister than that.

[Ralap]

He's saying.... who are you going to find to replace our manager, on what is a below average assistant coaches wage..... ?

Like I said...

Crosby or Parrish anyone?

Thank you Nigel.

You really have to wonder how Marvos mind works sometimes.

[Marvo]

You know as well as I do that if they advertised the job they'd get dozens of applicants, some of them experienced managers.

[bungle]

The post I quoted seems to want a manager that would need a decent wage. I pointed out that Sammo is on a poor wage for a full time manager. With Cardoza telling us there is no money available, if we carry on with this managers budget and Sammo is sacked we can expect another complete novice or just maybe someone worth the wage. Obviously the more likely next manager will be Crosby. Nothing more sinister than that.

I agree completely Ralap. But as supporters we have to demand for this situation to change. Securing a decent manager should be the no.1 priority in terms of spending. We don't have the best budget in the league, but it's not the worst either and the fact is that money has been spent on players. The likes of Mckenzie, Purcell and Hall must all be on reasonable wages. How much would it take to get a decent manager?  Lincoln have managed to appoint Steve Tilson and I doubt they have much more money than us.

Some of that budget has to reallocated and used to bring in a decent manager. There has to be a proper interview process and people who know something about football have to be consulted. Otherwise this club will continue to go backwards.

[Ralap]

You know as well as I do that if they advertised the job they'd get dozens of applicants, some of them experienced managers.

Some.