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« on: October 24, 2010, 08:35:58 am »

Or whoever is the FANS REPRESENTATIVE on the board…….

The Club is in severe danger of losing its place in the football league and on here and I would imagine between fans that don’t post on here there are a lot of worried fans with a lot of questions.  Yet the group that are supposed to represent us are once again quiet. Please can you climb out of Cardoza’s pocket and ask/answer some bloody questions………

I have a couple…..

Firstly, Does David Cardoza seriously believes that on the field this Football Club is going in the right direction?  Does he seriously believe we are playing the best football he’s ever seen?  Because 4 wins in 24 games or 28 wins in 93 games ISN’T actually going in the right direction.  Losing three of the last four games to teams you EXPECT to be in and around the relegation scrap and who you EXCPECT Northampton Town to beat ISN’T going in the right direction.  Losing 4-3 to the worst Club in the league having been 3-0 up ISN’T going in the right direction.

I’ll admit now, either for work reasons or “I have better things to do with my money” reasons (and until the embarrassing relegation from League 1 I never “had better things to do with my money”) I’ve only been to two games this season, but from what my friends say and, with the exception of NTFC Nut and a couple of others that are either easily pleased or have Claret tinted glasses, what I’m reading on here, we’re not actually playing great football.  The exception being against Bradford and 70 mins against Chesterfield.

Secondly, off the field there are so many stories of where we are financially.  Are we now financially sound? Are we £7million quid in debt to David Cardoza?  Will there money to spend on players in January?  Are “established” players turning us down meaning we have to go for inexperienced players?

Northampton Town Football Club is in a complete mess and the current board seem to be trying to paper over the very large cracks that are appearing using a Carling Cup run which has seen us actually only win 1 game out of the 3.  The rest of it they appear to be burying their heads in the sand.

You can tell we’re in the s*** when "Black Army" misses a couple of away games due to having something else to do, when "Marvo" decides travelling down the road to Oxford on his day off isn’t something he wants to do and mainly when we haven’t got Glen “Saturday Banana” Cousner, Mark “Positive” Kennedy and Linda “DL” Smith posting on here.  Because all last season and all summer they believed that we were going to be ok, they believed Sammo was the right man for the job and they believed we would do well this season and anybody that disagreed were heathens.  They appear to have stopped believing.  THINGS ARE THAT BAD THAT THERE'S A THREAD CALLING FOR THE RETURN OF IAN ATKINS FOR GOODNESS SAKE!!!!

The Trust are the “Fans Representatives on the Board” I and many many others don’t care about Car Boot Sales and whatever else, we’re care about where our Football Club is going.  And at this moment in time, it’s in severe danger of losing it’s proud place in the Football League and facing trips to the likes of Forest bloody Green. 

Fans are questioning the management not only of the team but at board level of this Football Club, it's time someone answered them.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 09:04:15 am »

Why don't you make some positive recommendations to the Trust and ask them to follow-up your ideas? All Trust member could vote on the wisdom or otherwise of what you propose, and you could possibly become the saviour of the club.
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 09:13:40 am »

Why don't you make some positive recommendations to the Trust and ask them to follow-up your ideas? All Trust member could vote on the wisdom or otherwise of what you propose, and you could possibly become the saviour of the club.

im afraid that is a typical 'trust' response, the usual "if you can do better" the trust has been dormant for years apart from the quiz and boot sales. the only time in the last few years anything has been heard was the guildhall march and Glen Cousners protest, neither organisers were trust board members, the trust didnt want to rock the boat too much on both occasions.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 09:17:25 am »

I have been a member of the trust for a year now, sent off my lifetime subscription fee and a small donation. I recieved a welcome letter but since then i have recieved absolutely zero communication from them whatsoever.

They hardly seem the most proactive of groups.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2010, 09:22:28 am »

Time for the Trust to come alive and be pro-active ....it took a crisis to fire things up in the first place.

A return to those dramatic days is a possibility.

Has the Trust become too comfortable with its place on the board. Where is the dynamism?

Time for serious action or what is its reason for being ?

It needs a leader.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 09:24:34 am »

They hardly seem the most proactive of groups.

Sounds like politics in England. Put your X every 5 years, then sit back and moan.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 09:32:52 am »

Steve....

What the hell kind of answer is that? Every time someone poses any question to or about the Trust, that is the bog standard answer we get every time!!!!

This was about the Football Club and the direction it's going in, not how the Trust raises money!!!! I have no control over our current manager, what players come in, what the playing budget is, who the next manager is etc.  I don't run this Football Club and I just about earn enough money through two jobs to keep myself going let alone be the "saviour of Northampton Town FC"

I'm seriously concerned over where this football club is going.  I'm seriously concerned that this football club is going to lose it's Football League Status.  The fans have so many questions, yet the message coming out of this NTFC is that everything in the garden of Sixfields is full of roses and that we're heading in the right direction.  The fans CLEARLY DO NOT THINK SO!!!!!  Through the Trust the "fans have a representation on the board." So surely it's up to the those who REPRESENT those fans on the board of directors to put the concerns and questions the fans have across and to get some bloody answers!!!!!

Our League position does not lie, our current form and indeed that over the last TWO YEARS does not lie.  Yet, just like when we rolled over and had our bellies tickled in League 1, the Club seem to think we are too good to go down.  We're weren't than, we're not now!!!!

But do you know what, if that's the answer I'm going to get to my questions, if the Club and Trust think the right direction is and are happy to continue falling down and out of the Football League then f*** it, I'll go and join the Ostriches.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 09:48:15 am »

If you're a member of the trust and you're not happy with those representing you, get a couple of signatures and force a vote and get someone else in.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 09:49:54 am »

If you read my original posting I think you'll find that no-one has given it a logical answer (other than Cricketside above).
The Trust is the sum total of its members, nothing more, nothing less. Everyone has the right to join, everyone has the right to influence policy, and everyone has the right - and ability - to change those things about it which they don't like. You can even change its entire constitution if you can persuade others of the logic of your arguments, however therein lies the problem. Many on this site are NOT doing that. It involves a massive commitment of your time and effort. Many prefer instead to post often illogical stuff on here, and mostly under the protection of psedonyms. A small group of people work exceedingly hard for the Trust and would soon take offers of your help to make it better. There's little point in moaning unless you translate it into effective action. If it makes you feel better to let rip on here, fair enough, it's had a purpose, but it'll change none of the things you want changing.

Incidentally, I am not a member of the Trust Board but will occasionally attend as a potential helper for an event, or in my capacity as journalist. When I think they should change something I say so and try to give logical reasons for why it should change, and on the few occasions I can help as a general member, I will.
However, it would  be a serious mistake if any readers of this website thought me in any way a spokesperson for the Trust, or in any way blindly following any decisions they may make.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 09:53:36 am »

If you read my original posting I think you'll find that no-one has given it a logical answer (other than Cricketside above).
The Trust is the sum total of its members, nothing more, nothing less. Everyone has the right to join, everyone has the right to influence policy, and everyone has the right - and ability - to change those things about it which they don't like. You can even change its entire constitution if you can persuade others of the logic of your arguments, however therein lies the problem. Many on this site are NOT doing that. It involves a massive commitment of your time and effort. Many prefer instead to post often illogical stuff on here, and mostly under the protection of psedonyms. A small group of people work exceedingly hard for the Trust and would soon take offers of your help to make it better. There's little point in moaning unless you translate it into effective action. If it makes you feel better, fair enough, it's had a purpose, but it'll change none of the things you want changing.

Incidentally, I am not a member of the Trust Board but will occasionally attend as a potential helper for an event, or in my capacity as journalist. When I think they should change something I say so and try to give logical reasons for why it should change, and on the few occasions I can help as a general member, I will.
However, it would  be a serious mistake if any readers of this website thought me in any way a spokesperson for the Trust, or in any way blindly following any decisions they may make.

I think he, like many others, just wants answers to the questions hes posted. Why should anyone join the trust? What incentive is there? You pay your annual/life fee, you get a welcome letter and f*** all else. The fans arent happy at whats happening. The trust should make that fully clear before it gets to the stage of many people just voting with their feet
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 09:58:56 am »

Why should anyone join the trust? What incentive is there?

The incentive is to be able to do something about Cardoza and Sampson and NTFC. Well - that's what people seem to be suggesting. Is that not so in your opinion?
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 09:59:35 am »

I don't doubt for one minute that people work extremely hard for the Trust, fair bloody play to them but.........

THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE BLOODY TRUST, WHAT THEY DO, WHO DOES WHAT AND HOW THEY DO IT!!!!!!

IT'S ABOUT WANTING ANSWERS ABOUT WHERE THIS FOOTBALL CLUB IS GOING!!!!!

The questions are on this board......

Do you know what, just bloody forget it.......  I really don't care anymore.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 10:01:55 am »

The Trust has a representative on the Board who in turn represents his members.  It is up the Trust's members to make their point if view known to the Trust's board.  This requires an involvement and commitment very few seem willing to make, so the end result is that a small clique of people control the Trust and its views.  It you want to change things participate.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 10:07:15 am »


You can tell we’re in the sh*t when "Black Army" misses a couple of away games due to having something else to do, when "Marvo" decides travelling down the road to Oxford on his day off isn’t something he wants to do and mainly when we haven’t got Glen “Saturday Banana” Cousner, Mark “Positive” Kennedy and Linda “DL” Smith posting on here.  Because all last season and all summer they believed that we were going to be ok, they believed Sammo was the right man for the job and they believed we would do well this season and anybody that disagreed were heathens. 


That's not quite true but I'm going to let it go this time.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 10:08:53 am »

For a start,wouldn't it be refreshing if the Trust called a meeting for this Thursday inviting the Chairman and Management to a question and answer session with the fans.Thes meetings always seem to take place at "safe" times for those at the helm.
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The Trust is the sum total of its members, nothing more, nothing less. Everyone has the right to join, everyone has the right to influence policy, and everyone has the right - and ability - to change those things about it which they don't like. You can even change its entire constitution if you can persuade others of the logic of your arguments,



You've just described "the Unions", you know, the ones everybody hates because they hold the country to ransome.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 10:10:07 am »

Why should anyone join the trust? What incentive is there?

The incentive is to be able to do something about Cardoza and Sampson and NTFC. Well - that's what people seem to be suggesting. Is that not so in your opinion?

What are they doing now? What have they done for the last few years?
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 10:15:19 am »

You've just described "the Unions", you know, the ones everybody hates because they hold the country to ransome.

NO, you hate them Marvo....theres still a decent proportion of the working class with some self respect
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 10:16:13 am »

Don't be silly, the Trust are clearly of no relevance any more. Times move on. They haven't.

I'm sure people do work hard for them, but they work hard to put on a meeting or a car boot. Fair enough, those things are all well and good, but then aren't they supposed to be...

Representing the interests of Northampton Town Football Club's supporters at all levels.

That statement is absolute bollocks. Either that, or they go about it in secret.

The fact that no-one knows the point of them on here except the odd individual who still holds the opinion that we should 'help out', despite not knowing what we'd be helping with, says it all. I feel no affinity to the Trust, I see no point in joining them, I don't know why they still exist. That's the truth of the matter. I find that sad, especially considering I know alot of people who have helped them out.

I find Steve's waffling incredibly condescending and completely missing the point, his response every time seems to be 'We're not putting in the time and effort, it's easy to sit and moan on here, us mere mortals shouldn't be having an opinion without being in the little clique'.

Why should we put time and effort into something that we don't believe in? Why do about 1% of the posters on here have no effing clue what the Trust do that REALLY makes a difference? These are the questions that need to be answered, not why aren't we out standing with a clipboard doing f*ck knows what? Don't be so ridiculous.
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 10:18:56 am »

I don't doubt for one minute that people work extremely hard for the Trust, fair bloody play to them but.........

THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE BLOODY TRUST, WHAT THEY DO, WHO DOES WHAT AND HOW THEY DO IT!!!!!!

IT'S ABOUT WANTING ANSWERS ABOUT WHERE THIS FOOTBALL CLUB IS GOING!!!!!

The questions are on this board......

Do you know what, just bloody forget it.......  I really don't care anymore.



This message board is a mixed group of people who mostly don't even admit publicly who they are. Are you seriously suggesting that the Trust should formulate its policy using postings on here as a basis?
"I really don't care anymore" is your statement. You're probably as upset as the rest of us at the way our league form is going, so I can understand why you may write that...however if you really mean it, then there's no point complaining at others who still do care.

By the way, anyone with genuine and heartfelt views on the current situation can send them to me at cobblersteve@hotmail.com - you need to say who you are and give me a contact, that's part of proper open journalism, however if you don't want your name published that is fine, just say so. If I get a response I shall give a fair reflection of what is said in my Chronicle & Echo article. But don't expect me to quote your views from off this website. You need to stand up and be counted in the correct manner. This is a great message board run by hardworking people, but if you then want to have some meaningful effect from your thinking, write directly to the Trust, the club Chairman, and/or send it to me if you want your views considered by newspaper-reading fans.
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